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Hydrocarbons Could Form Deep In the Earth From Methane, Not Animal Remains
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Posted on 04/16/2011 3:24:54 PM PDT by Perdogg

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To: Christian Engineer Mass
Lol. That’s like the assumption they had about moon dust.

What is organic about moon dust?

A fraction of an inch * billions of years = OMG!! The lunar lander will sink out of sight! Hence duck feet & too-short ladder on the lunar lander. Except no - the world isn’t like that.

Well, you obviously have an opinion and you have no intent of engaging in open discussion so why waste your time? I'm certainly not wasting any more time with you on this thread.

41 posted on 04/16/2011 6:03:44 PM PDT by fso301
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To: SunkenCiv
"no one owns the subsoil rights"

In 1945 Truman proclaimed that the entire US continental shelf belonged to the federal govt.

This was a big problem because the coastal states also claimed the shelf off their coasts. Even tho the courts upheld Truman, the problem continued.

Eisenhower negotiated a compromise with the states that would be enshrined in the Submerged Lands Act of 1954. This compromise split the shelf into the inner continental shelf(ICS) and the outer continental shelf(OCS).

The ICS would belong to the states and each state would control their ICS and collect the royalties from their ICS.

Likewise the feds would control the OCS and collect the royalties.

The ICS was to be 3 miles out, except for the Texas coast and Florida's gulf coast, which would be 3 leagues, about 10 miles.

That arrangement was satisfactory for quite a while but as technology advanced and they began drilling further and further out the coastal states began agitating for a share of the federal royalty. Their first attempt was legislation called CARA and CARA 2000 which failed.

Then, in 2006, TX, LA, AL, and MS were given royalty sharing. Now, those Atlantic states such as VA, who are considering off shore drilling also want royalty sharing.

And all of this is influenced by the Law of the Sea Treaty which would give the sea bed and those royalties to the UN.

42 posted on 04/16/2011 6:41:02 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: SunkenCiv
Here ya go...
43 posted on 04/16/2011 8:33:59 PM PDT by redhead ("I think I'm the best fish filleter in the whole third grade." --Piper Palin)
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To: decimon
The article title does not match the content

Yeah, it does...

"A new study demonstrates how high hydrocarbons could be formed from methane deep within the Earth, aside from the compression and heating of ancient animal remains over the eons. Fused-methane oil would be far less common than your typical petroleum, of course, but the study shows abiogenic hydrocarbons could conceivably occur in some of the planet’s high-pressure and high-temperature zones."

The comment about zooplankton and algae seems to refer to the fact that traces of them are found in the hydrocarbons in oil and natural gas.

I think it was sort of stupid for the author to stick that bit of cross information in there, but the general tone of the article does explore the evidence for the abiotic origin of crude oil.

44 posted on 04/16/2011 11:21:01 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: John Valentine
Oil was found deep in Sweden's Siljan ring, 6 kilometers deep in granite basement rock. This oil was clearly of abiogenic origin.

Nice try. The ring traces an impact feature. Not undisturbed granitic basement rock. The impact feature has been filled with paleozoic and younger rocks since the impact some 377 million years ago. Plenty of time for the formation of hydrocarbons, and their migration into fractured granite (oil moves through porosity given the chance).

So, no, this doesn't prove the abiotic origin of oil.

Thanks for playing.

45 posted on 04/16/2011 11:48:04 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Ben Ficklin

Thanks Ben — what I was getting at is, private land ownership doesn’t come into play.


46 posted on 04/17/2011 6:36:38 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: Noumenon
Re your post 24: "Most men can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it obliges them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues..."

You're not including me in that group, are you?

47 posted on 04/17/2011 1:59:15 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine

No - it’s a reference to the conventional thinking that can’t admit to evidence to the conrtary, and to those would rather cling to a bad explanation when certain annoying facts that won’t go away tend to contract them. Science and academia are rife with such folks - and that was Dr. Gold’s target.


48 posted on 04/17/2011 2:16:22 PM PDT by Noumenon ("How do we know when the Government is like that guy with the van and the handcuffs?" --Henry Bowman)
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To: Noumenon
No - it’s a reference to the conventional thinking that can’t admit to evidence to the conrtary,..

Thanks. It wouldn't hurt my pride if it turns out that there's a practically inexhaustible inorganically generated source of hydrocarbons!

49 posted on 04/17/2011 2:31:05 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: redhead

If Gold were still around, he could have “The Deep Hot Blogosphere” blog about this.

;’)

His earlier book “Power from the Earth” was also interesting. DHB has a foreword by Freeman Dyson.


50 posted on 04/17/2011 7:50:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: SunkenCiv

somewhere in my mishmosh, I have two copies of DHB. It made so much sense the first time I read it, I ordered it again so I could have a spare in case I passed the first copy on.


51 posted on 04/18/2011 9:33:26 AM PDT by redhead ("I think I'm the best fish filleter in the whole third grade." --Piper Palin)
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To: SunkenCiv

Grrr...I should know better than to click on any amazon links I put up on here. Just went there and ordered a whole bunch of stuff for my kindle, from that one link. Oh, well, one must have “something to read,” mustn’t one?


52 posted on 04/18/2011 9:41:27 AM PDT by redhead ("I think I'm the best fish filleter in the whole third grade." --Piper Palin)
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53 posted on 04/18/2011 9:57:17 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Perdogg
Something’s alive down there...and it’s farting.
54 posted on 04/18/2011 9:58:58 AM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: redhead

My only complaint about the Kindle is, older titles that are not out of copyright (just out of print or out of favor), more accurately, titles I’d be interested in, are not yet on Kindle. It’s still a great idea, and it (or something like it) should replace all school textbooks — and all school and college textbooks should be REQUIRED to be in electronic format.


55 posted on 04/18/2011 6:29:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: SunkenCiv

I have lots of old out-of-copyright books I download for free. There are tons of others that are like 99 cents or $1.99.

The kindle holds a huge number of books, and I’m really happy with it.


56 posted on 04/18/2011 6:42:11 PM PDT by redhead (Jaden Hathaway came into the world this morning, weighing 5-12. Her Grammie is VERY proud!)
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To: redhead

It seems like an ideal way not only to sell books, but to collect them, since one needs only have the one item and the whole library is right in there.


57 posted on 04/18/2011 7:32:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: SunkenCiv

I’ve been collecting “The Golden Age of Science Fiction.” Anthologies of 50 short stories from the 50’s and 60’s by all the great lights of SF. Great reading! They range from 99 cents to 1.99, so I’ve been having a great time. Just ordered Edmund Burke’s collected works for $1.99, all of his books in one download. I can like that. I may not read all of it, but it will be there to browse through.


58 posted on 04/18/2011 9:46:58 PM PDT by redhead (Jaden Hathaway came into the world this morning, weighing 5-12. Her Grammie is VERY proud!)
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