Posted on 03/22/2011 3:04:37 PM PDT by Chasaway
Totally agree, I did A LOT of looking around for an upper to throw on a DPMS lower, and Model 1 Sales without a doubt has some of the best stuff out there. Been thinking of another upper in a different caliber lately and they are first on my list.
I disagree. I've used the 55-gr bullets to hunt game before an killed a rabbit at 100 yards. Of course it took three hits to bring it down ...
I had Bambi in mind...
I’ve hit P-dogs at 400yrds with 60gr SP’s and there was barely enough left to recognize as an animal. No idea what you guys are doing wrong... :-)
My old Win 94 .30-30 is minute of deer accurate and works just fine. :-)
Niiiice
If you want an upper that uses cheap ammo, there’s the M&P AR-15 chambered in 5.45x39. SG sells the upper for $584 (club price). http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=506921 The commie ammo goes for less than $150 for 1080 rounds. It’s corrosive, so you have to take more time and effort to clean your firearm. http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=309193
Dang, that’s a good price for that upper.
An AR will do a fine job taking deer size game if you’re not concerned about a wall trophy.
"I can't it's cordless"
Yep, that sounds like a couple of gun forums I know, lol.
I think the 5.56 is a good cartridge for varmints from prairie dogs up to coyotes. I’m not a big fan of it as a military cartridge, though.
In some of the ME conflicts, long range rules the roost though. All of those start at 7.62x and go up from there. M14's and M1A's come into their own.
I have 3 AR's. Looking at possibly selling two of them to finance getting a Noreen in .416 Barrett or .50BMG match. Try my hand at REALLY long range shooting.
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Save yourself the heartache and loss of money. Spend a little more now on a good product and save a lot more later. If you want to spend a little less money but still end up with a decent rifle, go with Del-Ton or Spikes Tactical or a number of other trustworthy vendors.
Do your homework.
What’s on the front of the gun in the lower pic? A blast reducer?
Agreed. I have a close friend (son of a family friend -- West Point grad) who was a Company Commander in Afghanistan who once remarked to me that the stadia lines on their ACOG scopes allowed them to make reliable hits on man sized targes as far away as 500 meters. According to the doctrine, the max effective range of the M16 is 460 meters. That says a lot IMHO.
If I were going for a scoped capability on an M4 or M16 variant, I'd be using the Colt "shortie" scope designed for the weapon which has the multiplex reticle and is only a 4X because it also has a BDC (Bullet Drop Compensator) and costs FAR less than any ACOG. No tritium but that's not too bad. The idea is not to use the weapon as a sniper rifle anyway. No "one shot one kill" is needed here. Remember too that the ballistics on the 5.56mm is not designed for that, especially at distant targets.
This platform with a scope attached is used to spot the hits and guide the rounds onto the target using some "Kentucky windage." If you want a sniper rifle, get such. I love my M1A with the 10X Shepherd Scope. I had that worked on by ROBAR with suggestions made to me by a SEAL sniper. But I wouldn't use that in the same role as I would use my AR's. Neither would I use the AR's in a sniper role.
Ideally the AR is a blessed mix between CQB and intermediate range foes. As far as the build itself, I'd go piston only. If I were doing this myself again (my AR's are from that gas tube era) I'd go with a free floated barrel and Piston design. Flat top with GGG fold down sights as backup to the optics.
I may or may not go with a forward accessory rail but all I'd put on it might be a grip (short so it wouldn't dig in the dirt if I had to low crawl or otherwise seek cover fast) and maybe a laser. MAYBE.
Any more bells and whistles invites malfunctions at the worst possible moment as well as more weight to haul. The KISS Doctrine has to be in full force here.
Take a look at the Burris AR332. It's a nice, compact, fixed 3x prism sight with a 5.56 BDC reticle. The reticle can be illuminated in red or green (at multiple brightness settings in either color), and when turned off or the battery goes dead, you still have a black reticle. It's also quite affordable at around $300 and has integral mounting capability for either a rail or a standard AR carrying handle.
I don't think it includes the bolt or charging handle. That will run you about another $150, but some folks might already have one from another upper they could use.
Even when you add the bolt that’s a good value at $525-550 for that configuration.
Well, that all sounds fairly dismal. The one I just got looks good. I guess the proof will be in the pudding.
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