Gribble insanity trial jury selection begins (A REAL MORMON)

New Hampshire Union Leader ^ | Feb. 28, 2011 | KATHRYN MARCHOCKI

[Colofornian]

So, again, where have you shown a sense of justice?

Of indignity over injustice? (In the same sense of indignity that was shown toward Haman in the book of Esther?)

Do you always go around calling slashers simply a "guy"?? (Or do you do that ONLY on your part-time Mormon Public Relations job when it comes to attempting to turn threads about Mormon criminals into threads about the thread-posters?)

You've yet to answer the question why you're more provoked about me than this Mormon slasher?

I've asked you about 20 questions on this thread...most of which you've ducked.

[Colofornian]

Yeah, it was done in conjunction with religion, so the media should have been all over when it happened, if they were not. You’re point?

Well, thank you for answering.

My point: Well, one more clarification is needed then:
Do you believe the MMM was done either at the instigation of the local Mormon bishop or by "prophet" Brigham Young (either one)?
Cause if you don't, then that presents the seeming "problem" you brought up earlier.

I mean, isn't just possible that at least some of those murders were done by men who were at "sometime...religious" but perhaps were simply now "jack Mormons?"

I mean wouldn't that mean that all those articles, books, and online content should make a distinction that perhaps some of those murders weren't done by very "religious" Mormons...and their religiosity degree had cooled off...and therefore, "Mormons" shouldn't be linked to a certain % of those murders, after all?

Nah...that gets pretty nit-picky and depicts you as a strange nit-picky bird just to be consistent in your claims.

If I was your resident mopologist advisor, I think it's better that you stick with the "conjunction" theory that either Young or the local bishop ordered the entire massacre.

Is that what you're accusing the 1857 Mormon church of doing?

(On the other hand, other molopogists aren't going to like such an accusation as that...oh, well, you've come this far trying to save your consistency...don't back down now...go for the gusto...and let's see your best accusatory tone of voice as you say the 1857 Mormon church was guilty of massacre-ing 7 yo twins, and many pre-teens & teens & their moms & dads...go ahead! And then the Mormon church covered just about all of it up!)

[Raider Sam]

Since he is a guy, the description fits. Why are you so concerned with terminology?

As for your other question, you decided to make this thread about the guy being a Mormon rather than about grieving for the victims, so that is the conversation I am engaged in.

[Raider Sam]

If a group of people did something together, then the fact that they are in the group is totally relevant. But it happened quite a long time ago, so why is it your big “go to” point? It has nothing to do with what this guy did. At least you admit you are nit-picky and not able to debate bigger concepts. Its a big step.

[Colofornian]

Gribble’s friends found it difficult to understand how such a pious Mormon, who dutifully attended missionary prep class in Lowell, could morph into an alleged crazed killer.
Source: By Marie Szaniszlo, Jessica Van Sack, Laurel J. Sweet and Renee Nadeau | Wednesday, October 7, 2009 |
Primary source: 4 small-town teens held in random attack
Secondary source: 4 small-town teens held in random attack

Boy...if you haven't jumped all over/contacted all the media outlets -- for example, like the Boston Herald for inserting graphs like these in their articles, then, hey, you're already over 14 months behind!

Better get your attacks crackin'!

Better get your "anti-Mormon media mention in criminal crusade" under way! [Cause you know I'm not the only person in the world whose pointed out that this depraved slasher "dutifully attended missionary prep class" in Lowell, MA...]

And gee whiz...and we "know" that almost-new missionaries from ALL religious sects and Christian denominations are regularly being arrested for murder, attempted murder and burglary! (I mean, so many cross the media desk, those editors probably can't get around to reporting them all...it's just ho-hum news because false-fact producers like Raider Sam makes out these people to be semi-devouted at some ancient point in their life...probably when they were in the womb was when they most devout...I mean, what's a "god-in-embryo turned Mormon priest at age 12 and missionary prep class student at age 19 turned killer at age 19" but a dime a dozen if you compare it parallel-wise to other sects & denominations? Right? /sarc)

[Colofornian]

See post #45 as to why the media keeps making it relevant.

[Colofornian]

ALL: Compassion, indeed: Go here to ABC News for the pictures of the two victims; and pray for Jaimie:
NH COPS BOGGLED BY BRUTAL MACHETE MURDER OF NURSE BY TEENS

(Oh and while you're there, note this graph: They believe he and Gribble, a handyman at Mormon church who was preparing to go on a mission, hacked Kim Cates to death.)

I can just imagine Raider Sam opening up a newspaper or scrolling online...comes across this article...and says, yawning..."Oh. Ho hum. Just another church employee-almost-missionary-turned-slasher of two females story. What else happened?"

Oh, and BTW, Sam. Please...in your next pulpit pontification tell us all how we're supposed to have "compassion" upon corpses who became that way at the hands of Mormon church employees who were almost their missionaries...oh...no Mormon mention worth touching upon there, eh?

Well, now we know why they were putting Provo, Utah people on the defendant list...like Jeffrey Troutman, a contact person for LDS family services.

[Colofornian]

But it happened quite a long time ago, so why is it your big “go to” point? It has nothing to do with what this guy did.

From the Oct. 9, 2009 Boston Herald: Alleged killer saw self as 'destroying angel'

The aspiring Mormon missionary accused of cold-bloodedly hacking a New Hampshire mom to death saw himself as a “destroying angel,” confided to friends he wanted to murder his father and once said the hardest commandment to obey was “Thou shalt not kill,” according to the Boston Herald. Nineteen-year-old Christopher Gribble now has friends wishing they had done more to intervene before he allegedly took a machete to Kimberly L. Cates, 42, and her 11-year-old daughter, Jaimie. “He did say he hated his father and he wanted to kill him,” said one friend, who requested anonymity. “I was thinking I should go to the police.” The friend said Gribble calmly explained his desire to slay his father and called himself a “destroying angel” during a conversation last year about his Mormon mission plans. It is unclear whether Gribble was referring to a 19th century Utah lawman, Orrin Porter Rockwell, nicknamed “the Destroying Angel of Mormondom,” who was said to be as famous in the Wild West as Wyatt Earp.

(Oh, no reason at all, Sam...no reason.../sarc)

[For the rest of you who don't want to remain ignorant of 19th century like Sam ... may I suggest you study Mormon 19th century terms like "destroying angels" ... the Danites...Names like "Porter Rockwell" and "Wild Bill Hickman"}

I mean surely these men, still Mormon folk heroes to this day, would have anything to do with inspiring Mormon church employees-almost-missionaries to pull out their Boy Scout knives and carve up people....right????