The Sigma competes in the affordable protection end of the market. The M&P competes well with anybody...
For the first time, I was wait-listed and it took me a week to get approved when it had never taken more than 20 minutes in the past. But aside from the annoyance, I exercised pateience and picked my firearm up after a brief wait.
I like the gun and although it as not as smooth as my Beretta 92fs(which is a 9), I like it, especially for the price. Not to mention, it makes bigger hole and will be the first thing I reach for if anyone choose to invade my humble abode.
The thing that intrigued me was the existence of a small envelope in the box with the shell of a bullet that was test fired. It was not something included with the Beretta which I believe was manufactured in Italy. It has all the gun and inspector information as well as a line that reads:
RIFLING CHARACTERISTICS: 5 RH
Can someone tell me if this is done to register our firearms to a database that will identify the unique rifling of each bullet fired?
If so, has it helped in the war on crime and do you believe it is a good practice?
I always appreciate the feedback of FR's extensive collection of Constitutional scholars. Thanks in advance for any and all replies.
-JD
It sounds like they’re building a DB. Didn’t know Texas did that. And did not think it was a national requirement. But then again, I haven’t purchased a firearm in some time. I might end up losing it in a tragic boating accident like all the others.
I bought my first striker fired pistol, also a Sigma .40, a couple years ago. Except for the trigger—price was nice—I liked it so much I got the Ruger SR9 last December.
It came with a fired cartridge. Some states require that, believe Ruger does it for all its pistols now.
Btw, the trigger on the S&W gets better with use.
I think this is done in Kalifornia...and I thought there was an extra ‘charge’ to have this test fire done.
My assumption was that there is indeed a database of test fires for all weapons legally sold in Kalifornia.
You'll get huge waves of hate on this website by starting a gun thread. You'll be sorry.
I just crack me up. Seriously - I believe I've heard someone else on this website say that some manufacturers are including a fired casing with the gun for those states that require it. If your state doesn't, toss it, or keep it and reload it. As far as the indication about rifling and twist, every ballistics lab in the world has that information about pretty much every gun ever made, especially the new ones, so I'm not sure why they would have included it. It's kind of redundant.
BTW, I accidentally bought three boxes of .22WRF thinking they were .22mag. It seems they're not. Ok, so, will they shoot in my .22mag Marlin semi-auto or Ok in my Winchester bolt action .22?
Thanks in advance.
I believe most of my guns had it on the paperwork someplace with a name like “check round.” It never occured to me that it might be for a balistics profile. But, if it is, it has to be an unbelievable paperwork and physical evidence nightmare. Also, I belive that the balistics profile changes as you fire more and more rounds. How different can each new gun be from the guns turned out on the same machines?
I bought a Sigma .40 two years ago and yes, mine also had the envelope with the fired casing as well. I live in Wisconsin and as far as I know, there’s no state requirement. I just assumed that it’s S&W standard practice and thought nothing of it.
<< The thing that intrigued me was the existence of a small envelope in the box with the shell of a bullet that was test fired. >>
A few of the states require it, so all (I’m not aware of any exceptions) gun manufacturers automatically include it on all the guns they sell. I believe that in the states that require it, the casing must be sent to some state agency at the time of purchase. Otherwise you are the only one who has it.
Change out your firing pin and extractor and the “fingerprint” on the casing is useless. Fire a few hundred rounds and the firing pin and extractor will start altering the marks that are left. it’s a big joke, but it’s designed to make life more difficult for the law-abiding gun owner.
I got a few guns over 20 yrs old that a fired case came with them so not new I dont think maybe for some brands. Astra 9mm was the first I got with a fired case I guess to show firing pin strike and how the case looked after firing that the chamber was in spec and stuff. By the way Astra went out of business 20 some odd years ago lol
Yep, that's exactly what was done.
Obviously the firearm has been mistreated and should be serviced by an expert gunsmith. I recommend a full barrel polish using a microfine diamond hone. It will remove flaws in the rifling and increase accuracy and muzzle velocity. Additionally, fitting and polishing the moving parts (like extractor, ejector and bolt face, among others) will enhance function and reliability. Have at it!
The 5 RH Is five groves right handed twist (I assume)
The packet with the expended shell is in lots of firearms these days when they are sold new as many states require them.
Thankfully the state I live in (Nevada) does not so I just toss them out.
Buy ALL your guns from private individuals.
Even at gun shows if you purchase from a citizen you need not tell the gubmint.
Look in your local penny saver or wherever but if the gub mint knows then they always will know.
A number of states (MD and NY come to mind) require a fired case to be submitted for every new handgun sold. It is not a national requirement, but some manufacturers include it in all guns. I know Smith does.
NM doesn’t require it, and I drop it down the access pipe to my septic tank. If they want it, they can go fish.
No 5RH is just a type of rifleing all hand guns of that make and model well have 5RH rifleing. One would need a bullet fired from that gun to may be match it to that gun.
Rifling changes a bit with every shot, to speed that up run some bore polish thru the barrel and after 20 30 times most likely they well not match. It well show 5RH rifling but there could be thousands of guns with 5RH rifling.
And if one needs to change it really fast run steel wool thru it more then once but you could expect some barrel damage I wouldn’t recommed steel wool except in a emergency.
I don’t know what state you live in, but in my state there is no waiting whatsoever. No background checks either. fill out a form for the gun dealer to put in his/her book, and you are good to go.
The Sigma competes in the affordable protection end of the market. The M&P competes well with anybody...
There is no such exclusions of the right to own arms in the Constitution.
Good move. If nothing else, there should be a good supply of ammo around if you need it.
8/20/2009
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