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The above is posted by permission of the author, to whom I give thanks for providing HTML text for posting (cctimes does not make letters from individuals available on line).

Dr Bevc is an Electrical Engineer living in Damville, California. Email: akobevc@sbcglobal.net

1 posted on 12/11/2010 3:38:17 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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Electric cars are an energy hoax!


2 posted on 12/11/2010 3:43:28 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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In conclusion, the proponents of electric vehicles clearly think that electricity comes from magical holes in the wall.


3 posted on 12/11/2010 3:46:15 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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Because a good percentage of these short-distance vehicles will be used to commute, half the recharge will happen in the employers’ parking lot getting ready for the return trip. First off there’s the cost of building that infrastructure and then the cost since the electricity used will be billed to the employer at commercial rates.


4 posted on 12/11/2010 3:46:41 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just reload)
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Exposing the deception WRT electric cars.


5 posted on 12/11/2010 3:46:46 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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The batteries last 100,000 miles at cost 8K according to the article. My 02 Chevy SUV has 112K on it and has had to have some parts related to the drive train replaced.

If you want to dive the Volt past 100K you need to replace all the batteries. Has anyone calculated the impact of that on the environment verses a few parts on a traditional car, besides the much lower cost.


6 posted on 12/11/2010 3:48:52 PM PST by matt04
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Spreading the wealth:

PG&E also has an experimental tariff designed for users of electric cars through which all of us are subsidizing electric vehicle owners.


7 posted on 12/11/2010 3:51:07 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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The United States has (largely) decided that tariffs are a bad thing. Many people blame the Depression on the Smoot-Hawley tariff. I think that grossly over-states the matter, but it has given tariffs a bad name. Tariffs improperly protect failing domestic businesses, and tariffs improperly drive up the cost of goods which our consumers wish to buy.

But how are corporate subsidies any different? I would note that the Constitution talks about tariffs, but does not seem to drop any hints that taxpayers' money should be used to benefit certain businesses over other businesses.

I'm not 100% opposed to taiffs. I think they have their place. But I am opposed to subsidies.

Electric vehicles would find no welcome in the marketplace if the government did not heavily subsidize them. It's just a bad business.

10 posted on 12/11/2010 3:54:38 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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I saw no mention in this article to things other than "travel" costs.

For example, there is no mention of such items as "comfort" costs. Will the Chevvy Volt be air-conditioned? If so, how will that affect the energy cost per mile traveled? How many kilowatt hours will be required to cool a vehicle to, say 75 degrees, in sunny California where the external temperature is, say 90?

Other things, like heaters in colder weather, which must be electric because there is no heat generated automatically by the engine as in a gas-fueled vehicle. Anyone with electric heat in a home knows the cost of this. How would electric heating affect the Volt's mileage?

11 posted on 12/11/2010 3:55:44 PM PST by FroggyTheGremlim
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All I know is, if they take off big time I'm buying me a (gasoline powered) truck with a (gasoline powered) GENERATOR on the back, and charging stalled (dead battery) Volt drivers $225 per charge alongside the highways and biways of Obamerica...

And in HONOR of the GM VOLT, I'm calling my service...(are you ready for this?)

LEMON-AIDE



14 posted on 12/11/2010 3:58:10 PM PST by FrankR (Don't let the bastards wear you down!)
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“Particularly unreasonable is the hint that electric vehicles while parked in employee parking lots could be running their gasoline engines to feed energy it back to the network.”

What????

Who (what idiot) thinks employees are gonna run their engines, using their gas, to feed energy back into the system? Furthermore, leaving you car engine running all day is rarely a good idea, except in maybe really cold climates.

Even the idea of employees recharging their batteries at work is not gonna please the employer. His higher utility bills will ultimately force him to charge for a charging.


22 posted on 12/11/2010 4:15:54 PM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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It's a good thing there is an infinite amount of free electricity or electric cars wouldn't be the slightest bit cost-effective.
23 posted on 12/11/2010 4:19:34 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (DEFCON I ALERT: The federal cancer has metastasized. All personnel report to their battle stations.)
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i bet there were electric “car” prototypes before the internal combustion ones. the unfettered free market therefore has already told us that electric cars couldn’t be as efficient, but it’s nice to see it proven analyically here. thanks to the author and for this post. this is why it’s great to be an engineer.


38 posted on 12/11/2010 4:39:50 PM PST by dadfly
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would you rather have this, or some electric car?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpi6d5Y8PJs


42 posted on 12/11/2010 5:02:17 PM PST by chicken head
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Promises are best bought cheap.


44 posted on 12/11/2010 5:22:10 PM PST by dr_who
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‘Chevy Volt has a 435-pound battery costing $8,000 which wears out after 100,000 miles.’

I remember when Insinkerator came out with their residential model. It cost about $250.00. Not much difference than to days price, but the average hourly wadge was $.55 per hour.


52 posted on 12/11/2010 8:01:20 PM PST by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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“At heating value of 3 kWh/lb, 1.3 pounds of coal is needed to generate 1 kWh. As coal is 80% carbon 3 pounds of carbon dioxide is emitted in generating 1 kWh of electric energy. “

Can someone please explain to me how 1.3 pounds of coal produces 3 pounds of carbon dioxide.......It just doesn’t sound right....


53 posted on 12/11/2010 8:01:20 PM PST by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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The only chance that Electric Cars might be feasible is the availability of cheap plentiful nuclear generated power. As of now electric cars run on coal.


55 posted on 12/11/2010 9:21:01 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Democrat Party is shovel ready)
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The ‘article’ is full of false and misleading statements. Two thumbs down.


56 posted on 12/11/2010 9:29:42 PM PST by SeeSac
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“Electric power plants supplying energy require from 3.5 to 4 kWh of thermal energy to generate 1 kWh or electrical energy. “

False. Coal plants are about 2.5:1, gas plants are about 1.7:1


57 posted on 12/11/2010 9:33:13 PM PST by SeeSac
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“Reader Coughlan (CCT, November 13, 2010) correctly pointed out that at residential electric rates of 40 cents/kWh “

PGE top tier rates in the Bay area are about 30 cents per kwh. If yo go to smart meters and off-peak (it could be MUCH less).


58 posted on 12/11/2010 9:39:35 PM PST by SeeSac
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