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One would imagine that the so called Prophet of God, Brigham Young would have been given a bit of a history lesson regarding Communism; certainly a revelation.

United Order Also Failed

1 posted on 11/26/2010 11:23:11 AM PST by Utah Binger
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To: JRochelle; greyfoxx39; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; ...

Communism failed the first time it was tried. An interesting comparison here.


2 posted on 11/26/2010 11:26:35 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah, where the world comes to see America)
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To: Utah Binger

I was watching some program last night dealing with the early Pilgrim experience. They actually made the claim that the socialist rules SAVED the Pilgrims.

The spin never stops.


3 posted on 11/26/2010 11:28:48 AM PST by DManA
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To: Utah Binger

AJNTSA


4 posted on 11/26/2010 11:37:37 AM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: Utah Binger

So the Pilgrims were Communists?


5 posted on 11/26/2010 11:42:01 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: Utah Binger
Dang those Commie East Coast New England elites! [/sarc]

This post was all in good fun. There is no deeper message.

7 posted on 11/26/2010 12:09:59 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (VeYisra'el 'ahav 'et-Yosef mikol-banayv ki-ven-zequnim hu' lo; ve`asah lo ketonet passim.)
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To: Utah Binger

The Puritains were English Calvanists who derived their name from a desire to “purify” the English church of “popery,” rejecting all doctrine and cermonies not justified by their interpretation of the Scriptures. One of the principal differences among the various Puritain sects was their view on church organization. In the 1570s, the Separatists or Brownists sects advocated separation from the Church of England and the formation of churches by compact or covenant among the church members. This practice stemmed from the belief that each man had direct communication with and responsibility to God. Calvin in his “Institutes” had asserted that the church came into existence by “common consent” and Robert Browne taught that two believers could come together and form a church on no other authority than the compact that brought it into existence.

The Virginia Company of Plymouth was chartered together with the Virginia Company of London, although they were separate corporations and were to operate in the area of separate land grants. The contract offered to the Pilgrims, a Separatist group, by the Virginia Company of Plymouth company assumed a communal system for the first seven years, after which the communal property of the colony would be equally divided and distributed. The Pilgrims were displeased with these terms and refused to sign the contract. They proceeded to sail anyway, landing outside the domains of that company, Essentially, this meant that they were, without any political authority. Prior to landing on Novemer 11, 1620, the men on board the “Mayflower” employed the concept of the covenant or compact to provide for the basis of their civil government:

“IN THE NAME OF GOD, AMEN

“We whose names are under-written, the loyall subjects of our dread soveraigne Lord, King James, by the grace of God, of Great Britaine, France, and Ireland king, defender of the faith, etc., having undertaken, for the glorie of God, and advancemente of the Christian faith, and honour of our king and countrie, a voyage to plant the first colonie in the Northern parts of Virginia, doe by these presents solomnly and mutualy in the presence of God, and one of another, covenant and combine our selves togeather into a civill body politick, for our better ordering and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by vertue hereof to enacte, constitute, and frame such just and equall lawes, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meete and convenient for the generall good of the Colonie, unto which we promise all due submission and obedience. In witness whereof we have hereunder subscribed our names.....”

When the Pilgrims landed outside the domain of the Virginia Company, forty noblemen and gentlemen in 1621 obtained a large grant of patent from King James derived out of the Virginia patent, and were constituted as the “The Council established at Plymouth in the county of Devon, for the planting, ruling, ordering, and governing of New England in America” with jurisdiction over the territory from 40-48 degrees north latitutde, sea-to-sea. The territory granted was to be beholden of the crown, as of the royal manor of East Greenwich, in Kent county, in free and common soccage, and not in capite, nor by knight service. The President and Council for New England were authorized by their royal charter “to make, ordain and establish all manner of orders, laws, directions, instructions, forms and ceremonies of government and magistracy, fit and necessary for and concerning the government of the said colony and plantation.” Delegated the authority to acquire and dispose of land, the Council for New England would serve primarily as a land-granting agency to would-be colonial promoters.

The contract issued to the Pilgrims by the Council June 1, 1621, authorized them “to establish such Lawes and ordynaunces as are for their better government, and the same by such Officer or Officers as they shall by most voices elect and choose to put in execution.” The new contract was brought over by their agent Robert Cushman and was signed in November 1621, a year after the “Mayflower” had landed.

In 1626, the colonists signed a written agreement among themselves to form a joint-stock corporation, corporately holding the combined assests, profits and debts of the colony. The corporate holdings were assigned to Isaack Allerton as agent to pledge them as bonds or security on annual payment of notes to the Council for New England to obtain goods and necessities for the new colony on credit to be repayed through commodities produced such as fur, dried fish and corn. A full annual accounting of debts and payments would be made. (The colony’s debts were finaly paid off in 1642.)

Within the corporation, single free men had a single share and every father of a household had as many shares as there were people in his family. Ownership of the cattle was proportionatly divided -so at the time one cow was “owned” by six persons or shares. 20 acres of arriable land, with five acres abutting a watercourse, was alloted to each share. The remaining land was to be held communally and each, according to his share in cattle, could mow the grass.

Finaly, in 1629, the Council for New England granted a patent to the Plymouth Colony, defining its territorial limits and confirming the Kennebec area. It is probable that no royal charter was ever granted the colony. By 1635, the Council for New England surrendered their own patent back to the crown.

Sources:
. (Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States; With a Preliminary Review of the Constitutional History of the Colonies and States, Before Adoption of the Constitution, Volume I, Chapter III, Boston: Hilliard, Gray & Co.; Cambridge: Brown, Shattuck, and Co.; 1833.)
. Editor William T. Davis’ Bradford’s History of Plymouth Plantation 1606-1646, Barnes & Noble, Inc., c1964 at 107.


8 posted on 11/26/2010 12:30:28 PM PST by marsh2
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To: Utah Binger
During the first winter, half the Pilgrims died of sickness or exposure –including Bradford’s wife.

And winter is coming...



9 posted on 11/26/2010 12:33:12 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going.)
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