Sun Yat-sen’s strong links to Hawaii (Had Hawaii BC)

http://archives.starbulletin.com/2000/03/16/editorial/smyser.html ^

[tired1]

COULD Sun Yat-sen, revered by both the People's Republic of China and the Nationalist government on Taiwan, be a son of Hawaii?

There's a birth certificate that says so....

[tired1]

Posted earlier this AM. thought it might be of interest to people that actually have a life.

[Mr. K]

Wow- it must be easy for a foreigner to obtain a Hawaii Birth Certificate- OOPS! I mean a “certification of live birth”

[SatinDoll]

Sun Yat-sen was born in China. Relatives living in Hawaii managed to register his birth and acquire a Certification of Live Birth (COLB) for him. This was discussed here on FR in the past two years. Chiang Kai-shek had the same thing.

This practice wasn’t anything unusual in the past but it was stopped sometime in the 1970s.

[colorado tanker]

Too bad the ChiComs co-opted what he started. China’s path would have been very different.

[MissTickly]

the link is not working for me....

[rxsid]

Sun Yat-sen’s strong links to Hawaii (Had Hawaii BC)

That's right. HI has a long history of issuing "COLB's" to people born in a foreign country.

From the article:

COULD Sun Yat-sen, revered by both the People's Republic of China and the Nationalist government on Taiwan, be a son of Hawaii?

There's a birth certificate that says so, but even Sun renounced it in due course. It did, however, help him circumvent the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, which became applicable when Hawaii was annexed to the United States in 1898.

The certificate, issued by the Territory of Hawaii in March 1904, declared he had been born in Kula, Maui, where his relatives lived. As a "citizen of Hawaii" he could travel to the U.S. mainland in the early 1900s to rally both support and funds for his revolutionary efforts. Some Chinese friends attested to the birth.

Sun spent only a semester at Punahou in 1883. He spoke no word of English when he arrived in Hawaii in 1879 at age 13, but four years later received an English grammar prize at Iolani School, personally presented by King Kalakaua.

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They detail Sun's six visits to Hawaii -- 1879-83, 1884-85, 1894-95, 1896, 1903-04 and 1910. Sun was born in 1866 in Zhong Shan, China. He died in China in 1923.

The clearly and unquestionably fradulent (territory of) HI "Certificate of Hawiian birth" for Sun Yat-Sen

Info about Sun Yat Sen: http://www.time.com/time/asia/asia/magazine/1999/990823/sun_yat_sen1.html

Furthermore:  Hawaii's Territorial Law, Chapter 57 - "VITAL STATISTICS, I", shown beginning pg 23 of 29, (the law in effect in 1961) allowed the parents (or grandparents or other relative) of baby's born anywhere in the world to be eligible to apply for a Hawaiian birth certificate. A mailed-in form (without mention of a hospital, doctor, or midwife) signed by one of his grandparents (who forged the parent signature(s)) would have been enough to set up a birth record and a birth certificate at the Dept of Health. The Dept of Health would (presumably) then have automatically sent the names of the parents, their address as given on the mailed-in form , the gender of the child, and the date of birth to the Honolulu Advertiser and Star-Bulletin. The address given for the parents in the newspaper announcements is actually, however, the August 1961 home address of Obama’s maternal grandparents Stanley and Madelyn Dunham [6085 Kalanianaole Highway], and not the 1961 home address of Barack Obama, Sr. [625 11th Ave].)

[bgill]

His Punahou teacher, Francis Damon, certified to his good character but did not swear on the issue of birth. Damon is the grandfather of attorney Frank Damon, a major present-day supporter of Punahou.

Punahou. Coinky-dink, hmmm???

[Plutarch]

It would be nice to have examples of these foreign birth HI birth certificates closer to 1961 than 1904.

[rxsid]

Even the modern day law in Hawaii, allows for a foreign born baby to be "registered" in Hawaii, and be eligible to obtain a Hawaiian B.C.

[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.