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Dangerous, Inexperience Sailing, the Real Sunderland Reality
Opposing Views ^ | 6/14/10 | laconic

Posted on 06/14/2010 7:42:41 PM PDT by GatorGirl

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To: bvw

But it did save her. A virtually unsinkable boat and emergency beacons.


21 posted on 06/14/2010 8:16:30 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Eschew Socialism!)
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To: GatorGirl

Her parents are absolute nuts!


22 posted on 06/14/2010 8:19:22 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: GatorGirl

While the young woman was missing, I went from post to post encouraging people to put the debate aside and to pray for her safe return. There would be time for debate when we saw how it had ended.

I wounder if the child, because she is a child at 16, had been lost if there would have been as many “old salts” cheering on her efforts and her family’s support of them?

As it is, by the grace of God alone, she was safely recovered and I’m of the opinion that her parents, at the very least, acted irresponsibly. God forbid that we would have been reading about her memorial and watching video footage of her grieving family.

If, indeed, her father literally sold her safety for the coinage to be gained from a reality program, well....as a mother and a Christian woman who really tries to watch her language, I am at a loss for appropriate words to express my disgust.


23 posted on 06/14/2010 8:37:29 PM PDT by MWestMom (Tread carefully, truth lies here.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

ping


24 posted on 06/14/2010 8:46:04 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Eschew Socialism!)
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To: Beaten Valve

I understand Whore-Aldo has some cred as a sailor. (But not much in his day job, IMHO)


25 posted on 06/14/2010 8:47:02 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Eschew Socialism!)
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There were 2 auto pilots on the boat and the electrical demand exceeded the ability of the wind generators and solar panels to supply power...just has to be a misprint.....
26 posted on 06/14/2010 9:07:39 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Intolerant in NJ

What part?


27 posted on 06/14/2010 9:10:07 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Eschew Socialism!)
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To: GatorGirl; FrPR
Not much opinion in "Laconic's" post. Mostly hard facts.

Vane steering requires no electricity, but a good bit of skill to manage. It is plain as day that this boats primary guidance system was not a vane, but GPS slaved to an autopilot, plus a redundant capability, (a good idea if properly engineered and their is sufficient power generation).

Careening a 40-footer by hauling her over with the mast IS plain stupid. Hard fact, the young lady seemed more a passenger on a largely automated adventure, sort of like that dog in the Russki space capsule.

Not cutting away the mast when it went overboard is suicidal. In fact, ocean racers are required to carry truly massive bolt cutters to cut the mast free when and if it goes over. If that boat was not so equipped, Sunderland Pere deserves some jailtime! If the kid didn't know this, honest folks, she should not have been out there.

I am happy the child is alive and I bet she is one hell of a lot better sailor now than when she started this journey. Better luck ,,, and a lot better preparation .... next time.

28 posted on 06/14/2010 9:13:49 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Obama: Reviving States' Rights.)
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To: Travis McGee

ping to tech info


29 posted on 06/14/2010 9:18:56 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

I think it would be great for her if she succeeds in the future with the proper equipment and A LOT more experience.

Apparently there is an Italian named Alessandro diBenedetto somewhere in the Atlantic right now who got demasted and has jury rigged his boat to continue his solo. He’s already rounded the three Capes.

His trip is fully sanctioned but he’s 39 so not such a compelling “story”.


30 posted on 06/14/2010 9:22:40 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Eschew Socialism!)
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Queensland, Austraila boat builder Jon Sayer who designed and built the sailboat Abby was on said,"This boat is bigger and faster than Jessica Watson's boat. In Abby's case she wasn't physically or mentally strong enough to handle a 40-foot boat in those winter storm conditions."

Round-the-world yachtsman Ian Kiernan criticised Abby for failing to respect the sea. "I don't know what she's doing in the southern Indian Ocean in the middle of the winter. We need adventurers but adventurers who do foolhardy things and put their rescuers at risk, it should not be allowed."

31 posted on 06/14/2010 9:25:02 PM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: BluH2o

Prior to discovering Hispanic roots in order to become an Affirmative Action broadcaster, and marrying the boss’s daughter, he did go to Kings Point, where learning to sail is mandatory.


32 posted on 06/14/2010 9:25:24 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Obama: Reviving States' Rights.)
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an Italian named Alessandro diBenedetto

I believe I my have actually met this dude in DC. He is an architectural engineer by trade.

33 posted on 06/14/2010 9:29:16 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Obama: Reviving States' Rights.)
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"When both navigation systems inevitably failed Abby stopped in Cape town to replace them. Her Father flew down to help."

I was told this was a "poor" family. Do poor people fly to Capetown to help their dependent daughter fix her $250,000.00 racing yacht?

Damn, I wish I was that "poor"...

34 posted on 06/14/2010 9:30:54 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the next one...)
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To: GatorGirl

The part about solar and wind power not being efficient enough to provide the electricity she needed to power her boat - Al Gore would never agree.....


35 posted on 06/14/2010 9:31:12 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Intolerant in NJ

LOL! He’d really disapprove of the 30 fuel cans loaded on in Cabo :-p


36 posted on 06/14/2010 9:37:19 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Eschew Socialism!)
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To: Kenny Bunk

This one is a geologist I believe. Quite a guy—he’s sailing a 20 or 21 footer.

I read Explorers Web. Great site with articles about explorers of all kinds.

What do you sail?


37 posted on 06/14/2010 9:43:51 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Eschew Socialism!)
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Two errors in the article (which don't alter the thrust ofv the argument)

1. Marty Still was the orginal builder of Jessica Watson's boat Ella's Pink lady (as Shanty)
The builder of Wild Eyes (as BTC Velocity) was Jon Sayer - a far more experienced ans accomplished sailor than Marty, which makes his cautions far more relevant.

2. technically Jessica had only 6 knockdowns (wave action) plus one laydown (wind gust). There may be significance in that Abby's boat design was less likely to be knocked down, (and also less likely to recover from a knockdown), while far more likely to get tossed around by wind, with more sail area and less boat mass. (speculation seems to be that Abby's boat gybed).

38 posted on 06/14/2010 9:50:56 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (a 16 year old Australian girl already did it. And she did it right.)
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A prescient article from Sailing Anarchy:
Born again Christian Abby Sunderland headed off on Friday in her bid to become the world’s youngest circumnavigator, though she’s got a longer trip than the other teenaged girl currently on the high seas, and will have to push if she’s to finish at a younger age than Watson.

As we’ve sad numerous times, the record itself is inane. After all, midshipmen younger than either girl effectively commanded square riggers ‘round the horn 200 years ago. But there’s a mild fascination with these kids that keeps us watching, and in Jessica Watson’s case, she’s a genuinely interesting girl, with a humble style and storytelling skill that’s held out attention, and that of thousands of fans around the world.

But after watching this video of Abby and her family, we’re left wondering if she has the slightest chance to make it. Sure, Reid Stowe proved that even the most retarded sailors can drift around the world eventually, and Abby’s dopey brother Zac made it around in his many-stop voyage on an Islander 36. But Abby’s sailing an Open 40 - not the kind of forgiving ride the others have - with a questionable history, and she has precious few days practicing or qualifying the boat for the kind of heavy weather she is bound to face. And a flat-assed Open 40 is an entirely different beast when running downwind in the Southern Ocean in 60 knots and 10m waves like Jess did the other day. Jess got knocked down a few times and took it all in stride with a wisdom far beyond her years, but an Open 40 like Abby’s is harder to control and far more likely to pitch pole, and does anyone think the inexperienced Abby can handle that? Even more unnerving is her family’s reliance on God and prayer to help them get to the end of this one - not the traditional place that solo sailors look for inspiration, and not someone likely to lay down the storm when she needs it. And we just can’t help but be put off the her comment that her doing this is “The Lord’s will.” So if she fails miserably, or worse, is that too the Lord’s will? Puuleeese...

Realistically, if her sat phone and e-mail hold up, Abby should have all the advice she needs from a large group of supporters to make it around the world. And to us, a young girl accomplishing a solo RTW is a net positive for mainstream exposure to our sport and not a bad thing at all. But there’s something creepy about the whole thing, and we don’t know if it’s the bible-thumping, the weird brother-sister dynamic, or Abby’s ridiculous line of commemorative shoes, boots, and shirts. Whatever it is that is making us so uneasy, we hope Abby doesn’t end up doing the one thing guaranteed to get top exposure in the world media...dying. Thread here.

2010-01-25


39 posted on 06/14/2010 9:57:37 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Eschew Socialism!)
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She has a lot more balls than some men I know...


40 posted on 06/14/2010 9:59:32 PM PDT by gman992
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