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Alaska's tallest structure falls in Port Clarence
Anchorage Daily News ^ | April 29, 2010 | thevillage

Posted on 04/30/2010 2:13:16 AM PDT by skeptoid

This 1,350-foot LORAN tower was the tallest structure in Alaska until Coast Guard civil engineers and Controlled Demolition Inc. brought it down at about 1:30 p.m. Wednesday in Port Clarence, the Coast Guard says

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TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: alaskacoastguard; loran
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1 posted on 04/30/2010 2:13:17 AM PDT by skeptoid
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To: skeptoid

Kind of odd how that fell. I’m thinking there were some guy wires that were “invisible”.


2 posted on 04/30/2010 2:25:21 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Voters who thought their ship came in with 0bama are on their own Titanic.)
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To: skeptoid

Timbeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer!


3 posted on 04/30/2010 2:25:43 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (Northern flags in South winds flutter...)
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To: skeptoid

Loran is technologically no longer useful, and it sure sounds awful on a receiver.


4 posted on 04/30/2010 2:32:00 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: skeptoid

Technology is an amazing thing. I remember when LORAN-C was not only used for navigation, but for time synchronization for communications systems.

(We’re only talking 25 years ago on the Digital European Backbone)

Now they use GPS for that. Wonder what happens if/when the GPS birds get flashed?


5 posted on 04/30/2010 2:33:47 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: markomalley

You don’t want to know. All the eggs are being put in one vulnerable basket.


6 posted on 04/30/2010 2:52:41 AM PDT by Techster
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To: markomalley

I just read that one of two WAAS enabling GPS satellites went out of control,affecting the USA. Someone was posting something about using the LORAN system to augment, I think. Dang, off to find the article....


7 posted on 04/30/2010 2:54:03 AM PDT by Big Giant Head (Two years no AV, no viruses, computer runs great!)
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To: skeptoid

i remember boot camp horror stories for 1st set of orders...”you may get a Loran Station?”.....never happened got CGASMIA


8 posted on 04/30/2010 2:57:32 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Big Giant Head

http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/bizav/1616-full.html#202426

It’s an AvwebBiz.com newsletter. The area to be affected in the next couple of weeks is in, drumroll please, ALASKA! Alaska, where they reeeally need WAAS GPS.

It isn’t the article about LORAN. I’ll have to keep digging.


9 posted on 04/30/2010 3:01:03 AM PDT by Big Giant Head (Two years no AV, no viruses, computer runs great!)
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To: Big Giant Head
LORAN-C Phase-Out Starts Feb. 8

The Coast Guard says LORAN-C isn't necessary for maritime navigation and the Department of Homeland Security says it's not needed as a backup for GPS, so by Feb. 8, you may not have it available to you, either. That has some pilots very concerned about the lack of a land-based redundancy for GPS. That doesn't seem to concern authorities who call it "an antiquated system no longer required by the armed forces, the transportation sector or the nation's security interests." The decision considers that LORAN-C is only used by "a small percentage of the population," and that those users "will have to shift to GPS or other systems." The bottom line is this: "LORAN-C is no longer prudent use of taxpayer funds and is not allowed under the 2010 DHS Appropriation Act," according to the Coast Guard.

Officially, "In accordance with the DHS Appropriations Act, the U.S. Coast Guard will terminate the transmission of all U.S. LORAN-C signals effective 2000Z 08 Feb 2010," writes the Coast Guard. The Coast Guard's Federal Register announcement clarifies that the Feb. 8 date is just the beginning of the shutdown and some signals may still be floating around after the date. According to the Federal Register notice, LORAN stations are expected to cease all LORAN-C transmissions by Oct. 1, 2010.

10 posted on 04/30/2010 3:07:35 AM PDT by Big Giant Head (Two years no AV, no viruses, computer runs great!)
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To: Big Giant Head
Here's a good article although a bit dated:

http://www.aviationtoday.com/av/categories/bga/Sole-Source-Dead-Long-Live-Loran_920.html

I'm opposed to cancelling cheap, effective, redundant systems that can be used to entirely replace the GPS systems in an emergency. GPS can be blocked or eliminated very easily in an attack whereas LORAN would be very difficult to interrupt. It's a bad deal to save a few bucks by shutting down a solid, dependable, cheap, and proven navigation system in favor of the pie-in-the-sky magic that is GPS.

11 posted on 04/30/2010 3:15:08 AM PDT by Big Giant Head (Two years no AV, no viruses, computer runs great!)
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To: Big Giant Head

Here is one article on the Galaxy 15 (G-15) failure:

http://www.insidegnss.com/node/2030


12 posted on 04/30/2010 3:22:14 AM PDT by Drago
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To: markomalley

I retired (1986) before the Army received its new ships. About a year after they arrived I paid a visit to get my nickel tour. The young WO1 watch officer checked my ID and skipper’s license. I was impressed with the staterooms - no crowded crew’s quarters with hard racks. On the bridge I asked to see the chart room. Not only was there no LORAN receiver, there was no RDF, no sexton, no sight reduction tables or chronometer. He had to think about it, finally remembering what I was talking about from his Navigation History class! Celestial Navigation isn’t even taught anymore!
He pointed out the GPS receiver. I asked how he’s navigate if it broke down. No answer.


13 posted on 04/30/2010 3:32:48 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Kind of odd how that fell. I’m thinking there were some guy wires that were “invisible”.

Guyed towers are supposed to stack down onto themselves when they fail. This is what they are designed to do. It's a really bad day if you happen to be in the shack at the base when it happens, though......

14 posted on 04/30/2010 5:16:20 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: Big Giant Head
My Northstar M1 Loran C was more accurate than my GPS. It flew many non-published approaches than I'd like to admit to. There were several dead spots however when switching from one area to another. Those dead spots were about 10 to 15 miles in span before recovery.

Got it on a special, new, in 1994, for $900 installed. The avionics guy who installed it told me Loran C was gonna be phased out in 2000. That's 16 years of use for $900! I really wish they would keep it funded. It was far more accurate than the NDB approaches you're supposed to use. Unlike my ADF which would spin wildly every time I keyed my microphone, or a lighning strike was in the area, that Loran was perfect!

15 posted on 04/30/2010 5:17:06 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: markomalley
Wonder what happens if/when the GPS birds get flashed?

One thing that will happen is there will be A LOT of lost pilots flying around.....

16 posted on 04/30/2010 5:18:54 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: Big Giant Head

And unlike Ron Brown’s mysteriously repositioned beacon, you can’t move the source and cause blacklisted political types to fly into obscured terrain whan they think they are on course and at a safe published altitude.

RIP Ron Brown, Crew, and SOB.


17 posted on 04/30/2010 5:22:05 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: Thermalseeker

Don’t worry. They won’t be flying around very long. ;^(


18 posted on 04/30/2010 5:24:39 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Thermalseeker
Imagine the thousands of instantaneous requests for DF Steering and handoffs! During the mid 90's controllers would always ask for practice late at night and I'd cooperate. They even would do precision approaches for you while you would simulate being blind. Unlike regular radio contact, they do not want you to answer, only to key your microphone and adjust course and speed as they instructed.

Nobody has asked me to do that since around 2001. Something tells me they are a bit rusty at it.

19 posted on 04/30/2010 5:30:49 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: Cvengr
Don’t worry. They won’t be flying around very long. ;^(

Why? Is Obamalamadingdong coming after pilots, too?

20 posted on 04/30/2010 5:33:33 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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