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To: Boucheau; The Ignorant Fisherman
It was a huge red flag for me when Glenn Beck had the nerve to call the Constitution a "divinely inspired" document...That is blasphemous. ONLY the *BIBLE* is God-breathed!

While I appreciate a lot of the material covered on his show and his obvious patriotism--I am not sure how clear the line is between his religion and his politics. I am not aware of how a "Mormon worldview" works.

I obviously am not against the free expression of religion in this country, nor am I against allying with members of different religions around common causes--such as the pro-life movement. THAT being said, I hope Christians keep a discerning eye and remember that their primary allegiance is to Jesus Christ, HIS Gospel, HIS kingdom (which is "not of this world") and living by the Word of God. Christ must take primacy over nation, over the Constitution.

Jesus never advocated political revolt against Caesar, nor did he ever wave an American flag. Christians in this country need to keep that in mind as they prayerfully sift through how to participate in the democratic society we're so blessed live in. The early Christians of the Bible and Christians throughout other parts of the world today live under very different political conditions, places that would make Obama seem like George Washington.

All this John Bircher Society-LDS-Romney/CPAC stuff is quite enlightening if I do say so myself. I am glad I am not taking part in such a convention, which in addition to JBS has "GOProud" sponsoring it. While I believe homosexuals have every right to hold fiscally conservative viewpoints and every right to live in this country and even practice their lifestyle in private--I do not want to be a part of a party giving their agenda such a prominent sense of validation. I am glad Palin will not be attending and by contrast, "The Tea Party Convention" is made up of far more respectable organizations and speakers.

I am not sure where Palin stands theologically with regard to her Christianity. However, I know that her faith is genuine and not a front, and that she seeks guidance from the God of the BIBLE and not the false, creepy Book of Mormon.

4 posted on 01/10/2010 2:27:06 AM PST by CondoleezzaProtege ("When I survey the wondrous cross...")
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
call the Constitution a "divinely inspired" document

Methinks thou doth protest too much.

I agree that in the context given the Constitution was divinely inspired.

That context is that the founders were seeking divine guidance to give them the inspiration to create the excellence found in America’s Constitution. The founders recognized that the people had an inherent right to a belief in a creator but the government did not.

I am particularly fond of the words in the preamble, “secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity”.

5 posted on 01/10/2010 3:11:59 AM PST by MosesKnows (Love many, Trust few, and always paddle your own canoe)
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Then I guess one could find exception with these words as well writen by a non Mormon who has a very large ministry. Some may know who it is as these are words to a song the man wrote and sang. The song has a very strong and needed message.

Over 200 years ago they shook off the chains of tyranny from Great Britain By divine call, Citing 27 biblical violations they wrote the Declaration of Independence With liberty and justice for all. But something happened since Jefferson called the Bible the cornerstone For American liberty then put it in our schools as a light Or since "Give me liberty, or give me death," Patrick Henry said Our country was founded on the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Fifty two men of the 55 who formed the Constitution were active Christians. Although many of them by today's church standards would be rejected because they were Deist. History is full of all kinds of tidbits of information. But the war on Mormons and the war on Birchers is ridiculous. I know one here in FR who is Mormon and he is devout in his love for and belief in Christ as his savior. I want say his name because I don't want the goon squad going after him.

I don't much agree with Basic Mormon belief beyond Jesus Christ is our savior. I know a few Birchers and I'll tell you this I can think of no better person to have as a neighbor and friend especially in these times. The same with Mormons. I have Mormon cousins. I have Catholic aunts and cousins including a Priest. I'm not a Bircher either. The Birchers I know or knew were Baptist interesting enough.

Another thread makes a Romney/Birch connection. I would not vote for Romney as dog catcher but it isn't because he is Mormon. BTW folks one of the Cheneys has close ties to a company highly associated with JBS as it;s founder was a primary funder to get JBS started at all. Are we going to have a Cheney/Bircher thread also? Good grief people. Even the late Paul Weyrich had a man who filled in many times for him on his show and that man was Mormon, Paul trusted him.

Some need to go find themselves a better boogieman to chase. If many of todays churches did even a tenth of the missionary work LDS does and has their youth doing maybe this nation might return back to some moral sanity you think? I can only think of one church with equal or maybe a larger missionary field than the Mormons and that is the Roman Catholic Church.

Nah! It's much easier to just sit back and bash Mormons and call Birchers Kooks so says this Baptist.

7 posted on 01/10/2010 3:31:45 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

It was a huge red flag for me when Glenn Beck had the nerve to call the Constitution a “divinely inspired” document...That is blasphemous. ONLY the *BIBLE* is God-breathed!

Sorry, but if you really believe what you said above, you don’t read or understand the Bible very well, nor do you understand the nature of the Constitution or the men who labored to bring it forth for the benefit of mankind.


11 posted on 01/10/2010 4:23:12 AM PST by wita
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
I am not sure where Palin stands theologically with regard to her Christianity.

Read her book.

Grew up influenced by Catholic teachings; moved into pentacostal later on.

33 posted on 01/10/2010 1:33:10 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Depends on your view of the terminology.

The Bible, in my belief, is a step beyond “inspired” or “divinely inspire”, but is the very real Word of God, penned by men, but lead by God Himself.

The use of the term “divinely inspired” can correctly be attributed to more than the Bible. Have you ever been inspired by anything to take a course of action? To write a letter? To DO something?

Further, has God ever inspired humans to do anything beyond penning the original manuscripts of the Bible (the only complete and perfect version of the Bible is that which was originally penned, but now has been lost)?

Some of our founding fathers and even later leaders called the foundation of these United States as being from Divine Providence. When you consider that the odds were overwhelmingly against the young American nation in her war for independence, one can see that the eventual victory came at the hand of God.

Is it a stretch that God could “inspire” men to write the founding documents of a nation His Divine Hand lead to independence? After all, many of the authors of the Constitution were Christian, or at minimum, held to a firm belief in deity and HIS providential hand.

Now - to say that the Constitution is the infallible Word of God - yes that would most definitely be blasphemous.

But the term “divinely inspired” does not necessarily = “God-breathed”. I hold the “God-breathed” view of the Bible, but believe HE has inspired people to take courses of action (maybe even including to put together the best constitution a nation has ever been formed under).

Glen Beck was not trying to equate the US Constitution with scripture in any way - just demonstrating that God had to have had a guiding hand in the writing of it. Nothing blasphemous about that.


91 posted on 01/11/2010 7:33:48 AM PST by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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