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Star Goes Rogue in Untimely Collision
Discovery ^ | 11/18/09 | Ray Villard

Posted on 11/18/2009 2:09:06 PM PST by LibWhacker

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To: allmendream

>The free marked (sic) of ideas

Am I talking to a 10 year old or are you typing on a Dvorak Keyboard? The letter “d” is not next to the letter “t” on a QWERTY keyboard.

>The free marked of ideas did not reject your young Earth
>creationism because society is ungodly;

You’re badly uninformed. Go watch “Expelled” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expelled:_No_Intelligence_Allowed and get back to me.

>The scientist herself saying that the claim was
>unsubstantiated isn’t a “logical, fact filled, rigorous
>case”? Delusional.

Whether you’re right about what she is saying about what she thinks is right about the blood cells, is completely immaterial to the 3 step case I made for Evolution completely contradicting the historical Genesis narrative.

>The scientist herself saying that the claim was
>unsubstantiated isn’t a “logical, fact filled, rigorous
>case”? Delusional.

1) You’re claiming she’s refuting the notion they are cells.
2) She’s claiming she does not know if they are nucleated. She is answering a different question than you are claiming in your response to me.

>rejection of your young Earth creationism doesn’t make one
>an atheist either - but nice red herring

I know a Christian who is an old earth Genesis creationist who believes that each day was billions of years, which is why the universe looks old, yet that the Genesis narrative holds exactly. You are pushing the Evolution narrative which contradicts Genesis, and gives comfort to the world that Gospel writer Luke in Luke 3:38 is lying when he says Adam was of God. Also makes Paul a liar in Romans 5:14. All mentions of Adam and Noah in the New Testament become preposterous in your “Evolution is true, Genesis is lie” worldview which is just about as “vain and profane” as things get.

“But shun profane [and] vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.”
2 Timothy 2:16

You give comfort to the world AGAINST the testimony of God.

“know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God?”
James 4:4

“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world.”
1 John 2:15

Do I impugn your salvation? No. I don’t “know you from Adam.” Your worldview is sin though. Jesus himself said, in John 10:35 that “scripture cannot be broken” which means there ARE NO CONTRADICTIONS IN SCRIPTURE.

You are mistaken, not the Bible. You’re believing your eyes and mind, and not the Bible.

“Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.”
Proverbs 3:5


41 posted on 11/21/2009 11:32:02 AM PST by ROTB ("By any means necessary" is evil. See what God thinks of "rising oceans" in Jeremiah 5:22)
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To: ROTB
You act like a ten year old, a cut and paster who doesn't cite his c and p’s, a one trick pony that consists of ‘either you believe the Bible like I believe the Bible or you don't believe the Bible.’

I do not impugn your salvation, but your worldview is sin and lies.

YOU are mistaken, not the Bible.

42 posted on 11/21/2009 5:17:33 PM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: allmendream

1) What did I not cite?

2) You cut and pasted too. I don’t get it.

3) Again, are you a Christian who believes the Bible is the word of God, or do you say that to gain credibility before advancing doctrines that contradict plain, uncomplicated readings of the Bible?

4) My worldview is sin and lies because I don’t side with atheists on evolution against Genesis (the Word of God) as I already spelled out in that 3 step case in a previous post?

5) I am mistaken for trusting the Bible, and not some atheist evolutionist?

6) I act like a 10 year old? How many personal insults have you laid against me, versus the quantity I laid against you? Want me to count?


43 posted on 11/22/2009 1:24:56 AM PST by ROTB ("By any means necessary" is evil. See what God thinks of "rising oceans" in Jeremiah 5:22)
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To: ROTB
You cut and pasted a LONG passage without a citation that this was a cut and paste, as if it were your own work.

When I cut and pasted something it was below the LINK and clearly the words of the person I was citing.

I am a Christian, your accusation that I am lying about this show your basic precept, that nobody who disagrees with you is really a believer. Do you also question if the Pope is only saying he is a Christian to gain credibility to advance doctrines that contradict the plain uncomplicated reading of the Bible?

Your worldview is sin and lies, because as with all creationists you have to misrepresent science out of necessity.

You are mistaken for thinking that the subject is divided between “trusting the Bible” and trusting “some atheist evolutionist”. That is delusional.

How many insults have I laid against you personally Mr. Ten your old? Please count and cite them.

But all that is a distraction from the MAIN point.

You said “blood cells in T-rex bone”. And I have shown you that it was blood cell STRUCTURE in the FOSSIL of a T-rex bone.

But of course if you rely upon creationist sources one wouldn't expect you to know ANYTHING about the actual science, creationist sources lie about science out of necessity.

44 posted on 11/22/2009 7:00:19 AM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: allmendream

>You cut and pasted a LONG passage without a citation that
>this was a cut and paste, as if it were your own work.

1) True. That long passage in the 3 step case in post #34 where all the contradictions between Genesis history and the Evolutionary narrative was NOT my work. It is from a book published by Answers In Genesis that I no longer have. I forgot to say that. Bad. I apologize.
2) The fact that I “cut and pasted” that information in the 3 step case in post #34 does not change the fact that you have not responded to it. It is a Red Herring leading away from a lack of response from you, other than quoting that atheist evolutionist, which is no response in that it does not address the claims made in the 3 step case in post #34. You are upset that I cut and pasted, and your righteous contempt that I neglected to credit that book does not conceal, alter, destroy, or change the fact that you have not answered that 3 step case I made in post #34.

>I am a Christian, your accusation that I am lying about
>this show your basic precept, that nobody who disagrees
>with you is really a believer.

I don’t know if you are a Christian. I don’t know you from Adam. I don’t read minds across the internet. All I know is, you pick your own knowledge, and experience, and wisdom over the plain teachings of the Bible. I regret that this unsettles you, but there’s nothing I can do about it. Jesus said, “Ye shall know them by their fruits...” in Matthew 7:16. Your “fruit” is you are a highly trained Biologist, who makes basic spelling mistakes unseemly for someone who has been to college and possibly graduate school and has done massive amounts of reading and writing, who picks the wisdom of atheist evolutionists over Genesis. I don’t know your heart, God does. But I see these your fruits, and I don’t like them.

>Do you also question if the Pope is only saying he is a
>Christian to gain credibility to advance doctrines that
>contradict the plain uncomplicated reading of the Bible?

Pope too, same as you. You and Pope have caved, needlessly so. I recommend that you invest time in the material at Answers In Genesis a.k.a. www.answersingenesis.com. They are Christians, because I recognize their fruit as agreeing with the Bible, which I know is the word of God per Deuteronomy 18:21-22 per the evidence at http://www.direct.ca/trinity/y3nf.html.

Find places to get your objections answered. If you have to write a book with all of the questions Answers In Genesis refuse to answer, so that they are FORCED to address your objections on their web site, then so be it.

>You are mistaken for thinking that the subject is divided
>between “trusting the Bible” and trusting “some atheist
>evolutionist”. That is delusional.

1) I believe that.
2) Call it what you will.

>Your worldview is sin and lies, because as with all
>creationists you have to misrepresent science out of
>necessity.

To say this with credibility, please dig up a reference to video/audio of a Creationist debating an Evolutionist, where the Evolutionist wins by a mile.

Furthermore, that 3 step case I made with the help of that book from Answers In Genesis in post #34 only requires history, archaeology, basic knowledge of evolution, and a plain reading of Genesis.

Particles to people, goo to you ... I don’t buy it. The simplest single celled organism is wildly more complex than a F-22 Raptor. I will now quote a scientist quoting an unnamed source ...

A high-tech factory, complete with artificial languages
and decoding systems; central memory banks that store and
retrieve impressive amounts of information; precision control systems that regulate the automatic assembly of components; proof-reading and quality control mechanisms that safeguard against errors; assembly systems that use principles of prefabrication and modular construction; and a complete replication system that allows the organism to duplicate itself at bewildering speeds.

The aforementioned text of which was used in “The Case for Faith” by Lee Strobel. See? You’ve made me a better internet debater.


45 posted on 11/22/2009 10:17:34 AM PST by ROTB ("By any means necessary" is evil. See what God thinks of "rising oceans" in Jeremiah 5:22)
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