Adams papers, Lee family papers to prove NBC in Constitution came from Vattel?

Examiner.com (comments) ^ | 10/15/2009 | rxsid

[WellyP]

Before The Doomsday Book it was very difficult to trace parentage for more than a few generations. Going as far back as the 3rd century is a STRETCH!

[grey_whiskers]

I vote for Beck / Limbaugh. /sarc>

...ok, OK. Sarah PALIN!

Cheers!

[Godebert]

Adams read Vattel, but was in Europe when the Constitution was written. The founders also read Blackstone who took a different view of what a "natural born citizen" was.

Blackstone took no view on 'Natural Born Citizen'. He wrote about Natural Born SUBJECT.

[RegulatorCountry]

Having a formal surname, at all, was something of a novelty up to the 11th century in England, when the locals decided to mimic the Normans and got all Frenchified, first with minor nobility and then trickling down to freemen. It was fashionable. Before that, it was a clan name, geographic place name, trade name, or similar. Or, even nothing at all, just a given name.

As far as ancient "warrior kings" of Ireland, my own surname has legendary origins with such a king, in Co. Wicklow. But, it's just that, legendary. No proven line. No way whatsoever to prove it.

Sounds like somebody's been watching too much The Seeker.

[penelopesire]

God...please let it be true! It’s time to remove the usurper and his band of commie thugs from their seats of power before they destroy this country utterly.

IMPEACH!!

[djf]

You kiddin me?

If this is true, he’s toast.
No judge in the country would dare throw out evidence from the founders.
He’d be hanging from a lampost by midnight.

[Godebert]

"Adams read Vattel, but was in Europe when the Constitution was written.""

On December 9th of 1775, Franklin wrote to Vattel’s editor, C.G.F. Dumas, “ I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of Vattel. It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary frequently to consult the Law of Nations. has been continually in the hands of the members of our congress, now sitting. Accordingly, that copy which I kept has been continually in the hands of the members of our congress, now sitting, who are much pleased with your notes and preface, and have entertained a high and just esteem for their author.”

[djf]

Links?
References?
Footnotes?

Can’t go in to a court of law and just shoot from the hip...

[ForGod'sSake]

Thanks for the history ping. Somebody needs to hit the gas on the wheels of justice! MAKE the poseur in the WH show his cards.

[LucyT]

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[Godebert]

Links? References? Footnotes? Can’t go in to a court of law and just shoot from the hip...

Here you go:

The Revolutionary Diplomatic Correspondence of the United States, ed. under direction of Congress by Wharton, II, 64

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

Bump Dat...

[Godebert]

http://books.google.com/books?id=o2ItplkkogIC&pg=PA266&lpg=PA266&dq=Vattel+Benjamin+Franklin+Dumas&source=bl&ots=2mKA5pZk2D&sig=LQusGundyX3setps8xfSykZWhuA&hl=en&ei=47HXSv6tA46XlAe2gt2hAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CA8Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Vattel%20Benjamin%20Franklin%20Dumas&f=false

See the source at the bottom of page 266.

[djf]

Thanks.
Will review.

I wonder how much of the notes and private papers there are out there.

[smokingfrog]

Can’t go in to a court of law and just shoot from the hip...

Not that it hasn't been tried...

[stockpirate]

I think the AFTER-birthers are in for a very bad next few weeks.

[Quix]

BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD.

LET ALL TRAITORS AND DESTOYERS FALL IN THEIR OWN PIT.

LET ALL SHAMEFUL TRAITORS AND DESTOYERS BEAR MAXIMUM PENALTY AND MAXIMUM SHAME.

LET ALL TRATITORS AND DESTROYERS BE NEUTERED IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE that they no longer plague decent people in the land of the living and those yearning for freedom and justice.

BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

[Uncle Sham]

"Okay, lawyers: Who becomes president if Barack Obama or whatever his real name is, is found to be a usurper? Not Joseph Biden? He is complicit, as is Nancy Pelosi. Does Mr. McCain? Senator Byrd? WHO?!!"

In my opinion, we are FROZEN in the time between the certification of electoral college votes by Congress and the "qualification" to Congress by the "President elect". This, unless there in fact has been a legitimate "qualification" which we the people have not been shown. If there has been no qualification to Congress, we do not have a legal President and the Congress would be commanded by the Constituion to follow the rules of Section three of the Twentieth amendment:

"”3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.”

Whats quite interesting in this scenario is the fact that Congress would be admitting to the nation that THEY were complicit in allowing a usurper into the oval office by NOT following the instructions of section three when they were SUPPOSED to. Hang em all if this is the case.

[Vendome]

ME! I am NBC and can prove it 10 ways to Sunday.

Plus I Love America, Christmas, Apple Pie, Coca Cola and Baseball.

I throw right hand and straight down the middle. It’s only 60 or so feet and then off to the hot dog stand.

Oh! No pants from Mom. She wouldn’t let me look like a dork anyway.

[Non-Sequitur]

This would sure help slam the door on the After-birthers that the Law of Nations written in the US Constitution refers to de Vattel’s works.

Kind of like Orly's famous Kenyan birth certificates? The Adams papers are owned by the Massachusetts Historical Society and are available for scholars. And in any case, John Adams played no part in the creation of the Constitution.