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Arctic Sea Ice Not Following Consensus (All the experts were wrong)
An Honest Climate Debate ^ | 9/20/2009 | Jeff Id

Posted on 09/20/2009 9:22:10 AM PDT by Signalman

From the NSIDC, Sea ice reaches it’s annual minimum extent growing by 370,000 square miles over 2007. An area 1 1/2 times the size of Texas. The recovery is 220,000 sq miles above last year alone yet the NSIDC claims below that the scientists don’t consider this a recovery.

They cite younger thinner ice again and a lower level than the 30 year mean as the reasons this is not a recovery. I have difficulty ignoring a near 400,000 sq mile increase in ice level. So I hope they don’t mind if I do consider it at least a partial recovery.

From a post on CA SteveM posted a graph from the NSIDC’s compiled 2008 projections of sea ice by the different ‘experts’ in the field. Since 2008 minimum is clearly marked and 220,000 sq miles is equal to 570,000 sq kilometers of increase. We can determine where on the NSIDC graph the actual Arctic sea ice turned out.

All I can say is, be glad you’re not an expert on sea ice. The linear trend is actually closer than the majority of the experts.


Green line is actual.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: agw; arctic; globalwarming; seaice
The graph represents the 2008 predictions of the "Experts" for what, they believed, would be the arctic sea ice extent for the Sept. minimum for 2009. All of their predictions were too low.
1 posted on 09/20/2009 9:22:11 AM PDT by Signalman
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Beam me to Planet Gore !

2 posted on 09/20/2009 9:25:56 AM PDT by steelyourfaith ("Power is not alluring to pure minds." - Thomas Jefferson)
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The MSM doesn’t report on things that disagree with their preconceived notions ... the definition of narrow minded.


3 posted on 09/20/2009 9:29:37 AM PDT by GOPJ (When I hear "New York Times"-fair or unfair-what I hear is "New York Times Whore House"...)
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Al Gore, I spit in your general direction.


4 posted on 09/20/2009 9:39:31 AM PDT by scoobysnak71 (Just a National Security Threat, trying to get a nut.)
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To: Bobkk47

If the same thing were happening with the economy the “experts” would be gushing at the astonishing growth exceeding their expectations. Instead we are told that the growth isn’t real and what looks like a recovery is really just more bad news. Meanwhile the polar bears are complaining that the beachfront property they got suckered into is now miles from the shore.


5 posted on 09/20/2009 9:52:53 AM PDT by eggman (Obama's Spread the Wealth will work just as well as Spread the Liabilities (sub-prime mortgages))
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To: Bobkk47

What’s the green horizontal bar?


6 posted on 09/20/2009 10:02:49 AM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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never mind. Just found it.


7 posted on 09/20/2009 10:03:55 AM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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8 posted on 09/20/2009 10:04:44 AM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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I’d say two more years of sea ice minimum growth and the algore quacks will be done for.


9 posted on 09/20/2009 10:05:27 AM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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Watched an episode of The Deadliest Catch in which Captain Sig Hansen bemoaned how fast the artic ice pack has been moving down in the last few fishing seasons. I say Captain Sig is a hell of a lot more credible than tree-hugging liberals (yeah, you Al Bore) crying about this.
10 posted on 09/20/2009 10:09:29 AM PDT by NohSpinZone (First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers)
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12 posted on 09/20/2009 2:07:04 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Barack Obama: in your guts, you know he's nuts!)
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Arctic Sea Ice Not Following Consensus (All the experts were wrong)

Clearly Arctic Sea Ice is a flat earther.

13 posted on 09/20/2009 2:12:14 PM PDT by paulycy (Screw the RACErs.)
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“I’d say two more years of sea ice minimum growth and the algore quacks will be done for.”

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Agreed. I’m pretty slow to “pull the trigger” on things like this that are statistical, so I’ve not yet pulled out the data and shoved it in front of the pusses of the many many many folks that I’ve discussed these things with over the last 12-15 years... I’m also very interested in the ocean temperature and sea level trendings.

Believe me... there is a long list of those people, and if things continue this way for 2 more years, I am going to have so much fun with payback! I am happy to say that at least half of them will easily agree that I was right, and give me great kudos for my research. However, there are a few that I will have even more fun with as I watch them writhe in their misery and excuses and hopes that they (or I) don’t die before it gets warmer.


14 posted on 09/21/2009 4:51:36 PM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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Don’t cheer up just yet, an hour and a half ago the federal appeals court dropped a CO2 bombshell:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32959386/ns/us_news-environment/


15 posted on 09/21/2009 5:14:19 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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