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The immigration revolution: can Europe be the same with different people in it?
Telegraph ^ | Ed West

Posted on 07/09/2009 8:34:40 PM PDT by Bob017

Something explosive is about to hit the British political arena, a book with ideas so shocking it will change the debate on the most important issue in European politics.

For years, the European political class have told their peoples that mass immigration was beneficial, inevitable and historically precedented. It enriched our lives, it boosted our economy, it made us better people morally and it was a continuation of our countries’ histories of immigration, and anyone who disagrees is a racist bigot. The ruling class kitted the emperor out in his fancy new clothes and if people could not see them then there was something wrong with their eyes.

Well, the emperor is butt-naked and Financial Times journalist Christopher Caldwell is the little boy. The publication of his book Reflections on the Revolution in Europe is a pivotal moment in the debate on immigration, and it heralds the start of a new era - an acceptance by the political mainstream that our system isn’t working, and that while a multi-racial society can work, the more multi-racial it is the less well it functions.

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: aliens; christophercaldwell; dhimmitude; eurabia; failbritannia; immigration
Caldwell is a reasonable, moderate man who has studied Europe and Islam for a decade, which makes his conclusions all the more astonishing. He argues that mass immigration and the formation of large ethnic bodies makes us unhappier as people, it damages rather than helps the economy, and threatens the basic principles of freedom. Most alarming of all, he shows just how deluded are those liberal thinkers who believe large Muslim immigrant communities can be assimilated into Europe, especially a hedonistic atheist Europe which has recently adopted values at odds with the rest of humanity.

Immigration of the sort we’ve had since the war is simply unprecedented. Part of the propaganda pumped out by the establishment is that Britain is a nation of immigrants. But, as Calwell writes: “Aside from the invasions of Angles, Saxons, and Jutes that started in the fourth century AD - and which brought, at the very most, 250,000 new settlers over a period of several centuries - British ’stock’ has changed little. Only about 10,000 people arrived with the Norman Conquest. Tens of thousands more Huguenots came after the revocation of the Edict of Nantes in 1685. But, all told, three-quarters of the ancestors of contemporary Britons and Irish were already present in the British Isles 7,500 years ago. DNA from people who arrived after that makes up only 12 per cent of the Irish gene pool.”

In fact before 1945 there had only been one example of such immigration in Europe’s history and that was, ironically, produced by Nazi Germany.

“Europe’s path to mass immigration owes something to the intellectual habits of the statesmen and magnates who ran Europe’s economy in World War II - on both the Allied and Axis sides. In scale, today’s massive in-migration of ‘temporary’ labour has only one precedent, and it is a recent one.”

Nazi Germany is the key to all of this, the reason why we are unable to balance our Christian disdain for racism and our willingness to allow minority communities to live here with common sense. No society in history would ever have dreamed of doing what Europe did after 1945, inviting vastly different people over in such numbers, for the simple reason that no other society was so wracked with guilt and self-loathing for its “two historic misdeeds, colonialism and Nazism”.

This, combined with pressure from big business, which wanted cheap labour to run heavy industry (most of which was on its last legs anyway), and a welfare state that discouraged natives from taking menial jobs, caused Europe’s leaders to invite people in such large numbers as to make future ethnic conflict inevitable.

Caldwell continues: “If one abandons the idea that Western Europeans are rapacious and exploitative by nature, and that Africans, Asians, and other would-be immigrants are inevitably their victims, then the fundamental differences between colonisation and labour migration cease to be obvious.” And what we have in the suburbs of France and the inner cities of Holland and England is, whatever that word’s pejorative meaning, colonisation.

The reason Enoch Powell was wrong in predicting rivers of blood was that Powell, who loved the British Empire, did not understand the widespread feelings of liberal guilt among the middle class, nor that this would be transmitted to the nation as a whole (even though the poor had no reason to feel guilty about anything, and indeed would feel the worst effects of immigration).

And yet Powell’s population forecasts were spot on. He shocked his Rotary Club audience in 1968 by suggesting Britain’s non-white population would be 4.5 million in 2002 (in 2001 it was 4,635,296). Then in 1970 he told voters in Wolverhampton that between a fifth and a quarter of their city, as well as that of Birmingham and Inner London, would be non-white one day. According to the 2001 census the figures were 22.2 per cent, 29.6 per cent and 34.4 per cent respectively, and rising.

The subtitle asks: “Can Europe be the same with different people in it?” The answer, quite clearly, is no.

1 posted on 07/09/2009 8:34:40 PM PDT by Bob017
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To: Bob017

NO


2 posted on 07/09/2009 8:37:07 PM PDT by dadgum (OverjoyedTo Be A Pariah)
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To: Bob017

No.

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=43929


3 posted on 07/09/2009 8:47:36 PM PDT by cranked
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To: Bob017

Nope.


4 posted on 07/09/2009 8:51:02 PM PDT by conservative cat (America, you have been PWNED!)
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To: Bob017
while a multi-racial society can work, the more multi-racial it is the less well it functions

I think the problem is more multi-cultural than multi-racial. But when it's a rapidly changing demographic driven by swarms of immigrants from other cultures who haven't the slightest intention or desire to assimilate, it's hard to separate the two. And also much harder for the small percentage of the immigrants who actually DO want to assimilate to do so successfully -- when 95% of the ethnic Arab immigrants are uncivilized non-assimilating Muslims, if you're one of the 5% who is fundamentally civilized and eager to assimilate, you're pretty much screwed because everybody's wary of people who look like you on account of the activities and attitudes of the 95%.

5 posted on 07/09/2009 9:00:43 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker (Vote for a short Freepathon! Donate now if you possibly can!)
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To: Bob017; knighthawk

File it under “The Suicide of the West.”


6 posted on 07/09/2009 9:04:35 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: AuntB; Tennessee Nana; upsdriver; stephenjohnbanker

bump

(and the answer is NO!)


7 posted on 07/09/2009 9:16:35 PM PDT by Pelham (California, formerly part of the USA)
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To: Bob017

Here’s something that doesn’t often receive any attention. Remember “The Population Bomb” by Paul Ehrlich? A hysterical, breathless screed written in 1968 exhorting us all to strive to attain “zero population growth”, to reproduce only ourselves. That, birth control, and the pursuit of prosperity led to the stereotypical middle-class American family with 2.7 children. All the while, other demographic groups multiplied like rabbits, funded by the Great Society and its socialist democratic counterparts in Europe.

“We” attained “zero population growth”.

“They” sang “We Shall Overwhelm”.

Get used to it. The grasshoppers shall rule. Shut up and pay your taxes.


8 posted on 07/09/2009 9:18:05 PM PDT by jimcarroll
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To: Bob017

“The immigration revolution: can Europe be the same with different people in it?”

No. Only a liberal asks this question.


9 posted on 07/09/2009 9:20:41 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Bob017

The Camp of the Saints

http://www.jrbooksonline.com/PDFs/Camp_of_the_Saints.pdf


10 posted on 07/09/2009 9:20:52 PM PDT by Pelham (California, formerly part of the USA)
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To: dadgum
The question for us is, Will the United States be the United States with different people? The answer to that is also, No. Once this country has a significant Hispanic or Latino population, it will no longer be the United States of America. It will be more like Venezuela or Mexico.
11 posted on 07/09/2009 9:24:12 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Nosterrex

It will be as different then as it now is from when it was populated only by stone age Indian tribes. “Nation” used to mean a “people” rather than a geographic region full of whatever group happens to out breed and out kill the others. The West has indeed committed suicide. Done deal.


12 posted on 07/09/2009 9:36:23 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
David Pryce Jones who writes for National Review and other pubs plus is an author is an Islam and Arab expert. He said Islam is really more Arabic in the desire to expand and conquer.

More Arab tribalism. Western Europeans as well as Americans think by letting these "good people" come to the west shows how compassionate we are. The Arab/Islamic mind views the endless freebies they get as a weakness by their hosts and despise the westerners. We are viewed as weak and easy pickings for conquest.

13 posted on 07/09/2009 9:38:15 PM PDT by Frantzie (Remember when Bush was President and Americans had jobs (and ammo)?)
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To: Pelham

Tens of thousands more Huguenots came after the revocation of the Edict of Nantes in 1685.
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But they didnt all stay...

Of the 200.000 Huguenots who fled France to England, many were sent on to the New World, to New York and South Carolina..or onto other countries like South Africa..

Their religion and culture was much the same as Britian of that era...

both in England and the New World...

They were hard working artisans and tradesmen, middle class and some nobility...

Few slackers...If they wanted to eat, they shot it or grew it...

Do the European heads of state look yearningly across the pond and wish the industry of my ancestors was back ???

Louis XVI begged their descendants to come back right before the French Revolution..

He was now lacking a strong middle class...and that standing army that had left with them...

they would have had full French citizenship and the right to worship as they chose...

There were few takers...and Louis Capet had his Reign of Terror...

There was a time when the sun never set on the British Empire...

That’s gone now...along with respect for England’s western culture...

The Protestant Dutch were forerunners of the explorers on the seven seas...

Facing down the Catholic Spanish fearlessly on land and sea....

Now they live in terror of Islamics within their own country’s borders...

Austria-Hungary and the German states were once prosperous and strong, controling their borders with laws and cannons....

Now their economies are shot to pieces and they kept using a shoe horn to fit more dependent unassimilating immigrants onto their over taxed soil...

Did these people not learn that once in a while it is not only OK to say NO but necessary ???


14 posted on 07/09/2009 10:14:45 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

“Of the 200.000 Huguenots who fled France to England, many were sent on to the New World, to New York and South Carolina”

My Huguenot ancestor Pierre David appears on this list from the Manakin colony in Virginia:

http://manakin.addr.com/lineage.html


15 posted on 07/09/2009 10:30:57 PM PDT by Pelham (California, formerly part of the USA)
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To: Pelham

Manakin !!!

WOW...

:)

There are 4 David men on the Huguenot list...

Jean, Josue, Pierre, Pierre the Younger...


16 posted on 07/09/2009 10:48:36 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Bob017

If any leftist ever sneers at your “anti-scientific” belief in a Creator, and states that there is no place for irrational faith on the Left, ask him to prove scientifically that diversity is a good thing. Meltdown city. He’ll pop a gasket at the very insolence of the question, but he won’t be able to give you anything other than blind faith as to why it’s so wrong.


17 posted on 07/09/2009 11:55:50 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: Bob017

A resounding “no.”


18 posted on 07/10/2009 10:53:57 PM PDT by ruination
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