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Scots fought 'in bright yellow war shirts not Braveheart kilts'
Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 28 Jun 2009 | Simon Johnson

Posted on 06/28/2009 6:41:21 PM PDT by PotatoHeadMick

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To: PotatoHeadMick
"History is written by those who have hanged heroes."

21 posted on 06/28/2009 7:09:48 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (Drag The Waters some more like never before !)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
obama claims Irish origins? We have enough Idiots think George Galloway.
22 posted on 06/28/2009 7:13:40 PM PDT by Milly (An Aggie Grama .)
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To: devolve

They wore P-shirts!!


23 posted on 06/28/2009 7:14:57 PM PDT by potlatch ( Those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please.)
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To: yarddog
No accident at all... a finer and bonnier lass you'll not see... this is typical:


24 posted on 06/28/2009 7:20:14 PM PDT by Dysart (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong--Voltaire)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

A most excellent book on the Scots was BORN FIGHTING - HOW THE SCOTS-IRISH SHAPED AMERICA.

Synopsis

More than 27 million Americans today can trace their lineage to the Scots, whose bloodline was stained by centuries of continuous warfare along the border between England and Scotland, and later in the bitter settlements of England’s Ulster Plantation in Northern Ireland. Between 250,000 and 400,000 Scots-Irish migrated to America in the eighteenth century, traveling in groups of families and bringing with them not only long experience as rebels and outcasts but also unparalleled skills as frontiersmen and guerrilla fighters. Their cultural identity reflected acute individualism, dislike of aristocracy and a military tradition, and, over time, the Scots-Irish defined the attitudes and values of the military, of working class America, and even of the peculiarly populist form of American democracy itself.

Born Fighting is the first book to chronicle the full journey of this remarkable cultural group, and the profound, but unrecognized, role it has played in the shaping of America. Written with the storytelling verve that has earned his works such acclaim as “captivating . . . unforgettable” (the Wall Street Journal on Lost Soliders), Scots-Irishman James Webb, Vietnam combat veteran and former Naval Secretary, traces the history of his people, beginning nearly two thousand years ago at Hadrian’s Wall, when the nation of Scotland was formed north of the Wall through armed conflict in contrast to England’s formation to the south through commerce and trade. Webb recounts the Scots’ odyssey—their clashes with the English in Scotland and then in Ulster, their retreat from one war-ravaged land to another.Through engrossing chronicles of the challenges the Scots-Irish faced, Webb vividly portrays how they developed the qualities that helped settle the American frontier and define the American character.

Born Fighting shows that the Scots-Irish were 40 percent of the Revolutionary War army; they included the pioneers Daniel Boone, Lewis and Clark, Davy Crockett, and Sam Houston; they were the writers Edgar Allan Poe and Mark Twain; and they have given America numerous great military leaders, including Stonewall Jackson, Ulysses S. Grant, Audie Murphy, and George S. Patton, as well as most of the soldiers of the Confederacy (only 5 percent of whom owned slaves, and who fought against what they viewed as an invading army). It illustrates how the Scots-Irish redefined American politics, creating the populist movement and giving the country a dozen presidents, including Andrew Jackson, Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Ronald Reagan, and Bill Clinton. And it explores how the Scots-Irish culture of isolation, hard luck, stubbornness, and mistrust of the nation’s elite formed and still dominates blue-collar America, the military services, the Bible Belt, and country music.


25 posted on 06/28/2009 7:24:35 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: PotatoHeadMick
Before synthetics all dyes came from nature...Some even from dried bugs, but I never heard of horse urine being used for dye...Not strong enough except in smell...Even bark from trees were used for dye....

Horse urine is used in the manufacture of certain medications...Back in the 40's drug companies paid preg. women to collect their urine..My mother had a friend that use to do that...they would even supply the proper containers for the collection...It was extra money during hard times....depression didn't end until WW2

26 posted on 06/28/2009 7:51:44 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: PotatoHeadMick
"Medieval Scottish soldiers fought wearing bright yellow war shirts dyed in horse urine..."

And painted their asses blue...right?

Right?

27 posted on 06/28/2009 7:58:28 PM PDT by telebob
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To: NavyCanDo
An excellent read I can highly recommend & this one's also a must if you're fond of the history:

How the Scots Invented the Modern World: The True Story of How Western Europe's Poorest Nation Created Our World & Everything in It

28 posted on 06/28/2009 8:05:40 PM PDT by Dysart (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong--Voltaire)
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To: pandoraou812

I don’t have a horse so I guess I’ll just wear a kilt in my next major battle.


29 posted on 06/28/2009 8:06:16 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: TurtleUp

Medieval Scottish soldiers fought wearing bright yellow war shirts dyed in horse urine ...

...and with this additional fact we can now begin to piece together the unmistakeable entity marveled at throughout the world, namely “Scottish Hygiene”...

..and discuss...


30 posted on 06/28/2009 8:06:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

MacKenzie clan ping


31 posted on 06/28/2009 8:07:34 PM PDT by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

Groundskeeper Willie: “Now, the kilt was only for day-to-day wear. In battle, we donned a full-length ball gown covered in sequins. The idea was to blind your opponent with luxury.”


32 posted on 06/28/2009 8:09:54 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

this is long overdue information/sarc


33 posted on 06/28/2009 8:12:55 PM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT (Mac Conchradha - "Skeagh mac en chroe"- Skaghvicencrowe)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

New reasearch? I read about this ages ago. The saffron shirt and much earlier, of course, the naked native charging invaders. I was a teenager when I read about it in National Geographic. Of all the things to stay in my mind all these years. lol. I actually remember being shocked that a man would run around nekkid on a battlefield.


34 posted on 06/28/2009 8:16:50 PM PDT by constitutiongirl ("Duty is ours. Consequences are God's."- General Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

NO! Hollywood always depicts things exactly as they really happened. Longshanks really did kill his gay son’s lover by throwing him from a window, and Robert the Bruce really was an opportunist cowed by his domineering father until Wallace’s example sparked some courage in him. It’s all true! I saw it on the screen.


35 posted on 06/28/2009 8:22:13 PM PDT by eclecticEel (The Most High rules in the kingdom of men ... and sets over it the basest of men.)
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To: NavyCanDo
Thanks for your post.....I will definitely read this book.
36 posted on 06/28/2009 8:25:19 PM PDT by roses of sharon (We must get a grip on what we can, and hold on. Hold on with energy, imagination, and ferocity)
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To: constitutiongirl
Yes, that's a fascinating bit of history and count yourself among the few who have heard of it. I suppose you're well acquainted with this famous piece, The Dying Gaul


37 posted on 06/28/2009 8:33:44 PM PDT by Dysart (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong--Voltaire)
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To: goat granny

Urine used to be used around the world as a fixative for natural dyes. I’m reading right now “Color - a Natural History of the Palette”. Really, really interesting storytelling.


38 posted on 06/28/2009 8:34:12 PM PDT by Island Girl
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To: Dysart

The fact they were both uncommonly pretty was only an aside. The McDonalds and Campbells were mortal enemies in Scotland.

BTW one had blonde hair and blue eyes The other had Black hair and blue eyes. Both had figures which were as near as I could tell, perfect in every way.


39 posted on 06/28/2009 8:34:47 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: yarddog

Yes, I’m well aware of the feud. Glencoe.


40 posted on 06/28/2009 8:42:49 PM PDT by Dysart (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong--Voltaire)
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