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We don't talk much about "the Great Apostasy" anymore, mostly because it annoys our Catholic and Protestant friends. But the fact remains that if authentic Christianity had been available, Joseph Smith's mission would not have been necessary.
1 posted on 05/28/2009 5:33:12 AM PDT by svcw
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Just another interesting article.
2 posted on 05/28/2009 5:33:40 AM PDT by svcw (The prerequisite for receiving the grace of God ... is knowing you need it.)
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3 posted on 05/28/2009 5:45:47 AM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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4 posted on 05/28/2009 5:50:01 AM PDT by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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Mormons -- especially those who have read Hopkins's How Greek Philosophy, etc. -- will be keenly aware that the time period Stark explores, with checkpoints at 100 and 180 CE (A.D.), is exactly the era when Christian doctrine and authority were being lost.

Sheesh!

5 posted on 05/28/2009 5:52:44 AM PDT by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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Sure. . .and if authentic faith in God had been available, Mohammed’s mission would not have been necessary.


8 posted on 05/28/2009 6:37:11 AM PDT by Hootowl
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Relating our (LDS) faith to the rest of Christianity

The REST???

11 posted on 05/28/2009 7:07:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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We don't talk much about "the Great Apostasy" anymore, mostly because it annoys our Catholic and Protestant friends. But the fact remains that if authentic Christianity had been available, Joseph Smith's mission would not have been necessary.
 
 
Temple Recommend Questions:

 1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

 2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

 3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

 4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

 5 Do you live the law of chastity?

 6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

 7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

 8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

 9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other oblgations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

     Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?

     Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?
 
 
The bishop WILL hear about this!!!

12 posted on 05/28/2009 7:12:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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We don't talk much about "the Great Apostasy" anymore, mostly because it annoys our Catholic and Protestant friends. But the fact LIE remains that if authentic Christianity had been available, Joseph Smith's mission would not have been necessary.

13 posted on 05/28/2009 7:14:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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From the article: Somewhere along the way, Christianity got lost...We don't talk much about "the Great Apostasy" anymore, mostly because it annoys our Catholic and Protestant friends.

I think of all people in history, Joseph Smith, Jr. ranked among the most ambitious grave-diggers who ever lived. When you review his "first vision" of unnamed personages visiting him (see Joseph Smith, History 1 in the lds "scriptures" Pearl of Great Price), he pronounced the number of properly available churches to join as "0" -- these "personages" told him ALL these churches were completely wrong.

To emphasize, that wasn't slightly wrong...
...somewhat wrong...
...but entirely wrong.

He boldly proclaimed their creedal score was also "0." He called ALL their/our creeds to be an "abomination." Smith said not a single creed passed his muster. (Yet, I dare any contemporary Mormon to tell me a single thing "wrong" or abominable with the Apostles Creed...keep in mind that "catholic" in that context meant ONLY "universal.")

Smith realized to be accepted he needed to dig the deepest grave ever. He needed an ambitious "scorched earth" visionary policy. He needed to portray every single Christian...
...church as "wrong",
...creed as "abominable,"
...denomination/sect as apostate,
...Christian professing believer as "corrupt"

...'Cause if he left a single church, creed, sect or believer intact, well, he would simply be unwarranted, redundant, superfluous. If the Christian church wasn't 100% apostate, why, no need for a "restoration" existed.

And so, with spade in hand, Joseph began digging.

About 40 years after revealing the above-mentioned vision, the next generation of Mormons took over the gravedigging exercise by placing this vision into Mormon "scripture."

And now, the generations since then have also placed spade in hand. Some, like Orson Card, do it by writing articles like these. Most Mormons, though, take spade in hand by their tithing and/or going on two-year mission trips. Their tithing allows Joseph Smith History 1 to be translated into dozens of languages and distributed world-wide. Their mission work allows the narrative of the 100% apostasy to be spread world-wide on millions of doorsteps and living rooms.

So the next time a Mormon tells you they don't go around "attacking" people of other faiths, ask them to read to you outloud Joseph Smith History 1 in the Pearl of Great Price. Ask them if their tithing $ goes for the printing, publishing, translating, and distribution of that narrative world-wide.

(Then thank them for personally calling you "corrupt" and an "apostate." 'Cause Jesus says we're to love those who oppose us -- including those who opposed Christianity before anyone knew of the word, "Mormon").

21 posted on 05/28/2009 9:54:33 AM PDT by Colofornian
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LOL!!

It only annoys the Protestants and Catholics (Eastern, Coptic, and Roman alike) because they understand the events of the first Council of Nicaea well enough to know that Bishop Arius and his followers were pronounced heretics for true, correct and valid reasons, and therefore, the alleged “Great Apostasy” never in fact occurred.

At least not on the all-encompassing and worldwide scale they ignorantly and blithely allege...

There is no ‘approach’ for them that will NOT annoy Protestants and Catholics, except:

“We’re sorry - we were wrong all the time. Joey Smith WAS a false prophet, a womanizer, and a charlatan; Brigham Young was a scoundrel andworse, and the whole BOM is a crock of spit. We’re coming over to real Christianity, and uhhh - by the way did we mention we’re REALLY sorry?!”

AAC


31 posted on 05/31/2009 6:29:27 PM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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