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Tipping Point for U.S. Treasuries?
Seeking Alpha ^ | 04/22/09

Posted on 04/23/2009 7:53:43 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Tipping Point for U.S. Treasuries?

If the day comes when the U.S. Treasury bond auction fails, it will be too late to react. With some help from the mass media, the situation is likely to get very ugly. Markets move faster than ever and once a tipping point is reached, you’ll be like every other sheep at the slaughterhouse. Seeing the signals and preparing for this potential calamity may end up being the next major investing opportunity or wealth destructive event of our lives.

Because the magnitude of its potential impact is so great (some say 50% devaluation of the USD and/or interest rates in the high teens), anyone with significant USD denominated savings should answer the key questions for themselves - even if it is simply to dispel the fear the possibility creates. At what point will the U.S. government run out of debt capacity? What are the factors that tell us when this is likely to occur? And, what is the chain reaction that follows?

To begin to answer these questions, I’ve attempted to map out the cause and effect flows that would lead to a tipping point in Treasuries. The chart below starts to identify and quantify (where possible) forces and events that can lead to a tipping point. So many different factoids are thrown around on this topic that without some framework to evaluate the issue, it is easy to get confused. This is my effort. I hope to improve it over time – feedback and facts are welcome.

(Excerpt) Read more at seekingalpha.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: auctionfailure; dollarcollapse; gloomdoom; treasuries

1 posted on 04/23/2009 7:53:44 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; PAR35; AndyJackson; Thane_Banquo; nicksaunt; MadLibDisease; happygrl; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 04/23/2009 7:54:07 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as a result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved."

-~~Ludwig Von Mises

3 posted on 04/23/2009 7:56:37 PM PDT by Travis McGee ("Foreign Enemies And Traitors" will be ready the first week of May.)
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To: Travis McGee

Third week of October, 2009. Be prepared.


4 posted on 04/23/2009 8:11:18 PM PDT by johnnycap
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To: TigerLikesRooster

jiggygirl and I are working on buying a house just so we are big debtors when the high interest rates and hyperinflation wipe out savers.


5 posted on 04/23/2009 8:12:55 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

6 posted on 04/23/2009 8:17:36 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: jiggyboy

Any yellow shiny (heavy) metal under your mattress?


7 posted on 04/23/2009 8:20:45 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Lol.

I was lucky and was able to transfer from my dept at work. I work for a global ali co. Went from trading to a desk grudge. Same pay, same pay grade. I feel relived.


8 posted on 04/23/2009 8:23:53 PM PDT by Shyla
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To: TigerLikesRooster

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN97tmw6qvY


9 posted on 04/23/2009 8:24:34 PM PDT by djf (Live quiet. Dream loud.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Can anyone trace or determine if banks are swapping dollars for foreign currency?

I think they fully expect this scenario. Here’s what they’ll do: dump their dollars for yen, yuan, or even Euros. When the dollar crashes, convert back to the devalued bucks to pay off their bad paper.

I think the administration is cooperating.


10 posted on 04/23/2009 8:25:39 PM PDT by tsomer
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To: johnnycap

I was thinking September...


11 posted on 04/23/2009 8:26:30 PM PDT by GOPJ (We sleep safe..because rough men stand ready..to visit violence on those who would do us harm-Orwell)
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To: tsomer

I think Treasury or Fed is doing it.


12 posted on 04/23/2009 8:27:49 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster
For the Fed to increase rates, they must go directly against their basic plan of trying to stimulate growth. They also must be aware of the significant costs is adds to US debt service (something like $50B per year per percentage point). This means printing money is the only remaining option.

If we just "print money" the Chinese will balk at buying treasuries. It's the equivalent of giving them back a lot less than they bargained for... Also if we go the "print money" route, they'll switch to a new reserve currency - along with the rest of the world.

13 posted on 04/23/2009 8:40:48 PM PDT by GOPJ (We sleep safe..because rough men stand ready..to visit violence on those who would do us harm-Orwell)
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To: jiggyboy
jiggygirl and I are working on buying a house just so we are big debtors when the high interest rates and hyperinflation wipe out savers.

Like a story I heard about some South American home owners during periods of hyperinflation. Some of them were paying off their mortgages early because the postage was costing more than the mortgage payment and they got tired of paying for the stamps.

14 posted on 04/23/2009 9:13:39 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (No free man bows to a foreign king.)
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bookmark, (for when I find my glasses)


15 posted on 04/23/2009 9:29:15 PM PDT by WSGilcrest (Hey. I can quote myself.)
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To: johnnycap
Be prepared.

Fuel costs will double, at least, overnight, maybe $10 per gallon ?

Food costs will follow.

16 posted on 04/24/2009 12:42:23 AM PDT by happygrl (Hope and Change or Rope and Chains?)
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To: Petronski
I have no idea what that diagram means.

But I like your tagline.

17 posted on 04/24/2009 12:43:56 AM PDT by happygrl (Hope and Change or Rope and Chains?)
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To: KarlInOhio
Like a story I heard about some South American home owners during periods of hyperinflation.Some of them were paying off their mortgages early because the postage was costing more than the mortgage payment and they got tired of paying for the stamps.

We could have a few years of deflation before the hyper kicks in - that'll wipe our almost everyone.

18 posted on 04/24/2009 4:54:01 AM PDT by GOPJ (We sleep safe..because rough men stand ready..to visit violence on those who would do us harm-Orwell)
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To: Travis McGee; TigerLikesRooster

1. The south west corner of the diagram makes no sense. How is incurring & encouraging MORE (bad) debt - liar loans for mortgages, bailouts to GM’s nursing home, etc - going to “grow” the economy?

The US g0v’t’s bailout policies are like the “policy loans” China used to engage in. They weren’t REALLY “loans,” just welfare checks (wealth transfers using inflationary finance) to state-run industries to give people something to spend, funny (fiat) money...

2. I don’t like blue box near top: “increases taxes.”


19 posted on 04/24/2009 7:16:28 AM PDT by 4Liberty (End of civilization. 'Who cares about a little pork?' - Senator Schumer)
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To: dennisw

Gloomdoom ping.


20 posted on 04/24/2009 7:34:57 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Politicians do financial/economic surgery to fix ailments much like bloodletters in the Dark Ages.)
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