Posted on 02/26/2009 5:29:15 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
The case against Wichita abortion provider George Tiller will go to trial, a Sedgwick County judge ruled today.
District Court Judge Clark Owens denied a motion from Tiller’s lawyers to dismiss the charges against him based on the actions of prosecutors Phill Kline and Paul Morrison.
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Ah, at least it’s getting done now, right?
Glad you are so thrilled of Democrats though. Or is it... there was too much evidence for them to get rid of no matter how hard they tried?
Yep. In spite of all his delays, the case is still moving towards trial. If he’s convicted on all the charges and gets the max then Tiller is looking at some serious jail time - 20 years or more. At worst this has still put a major crimp in his business, what with all the legal fees and losing his pet doctor that signed off on all the late term abortions. I’d say that the good doctor’s future isn’t looking too rosy.
You might want to get over your own. If Phill was still here then Tiller would still be running free and laughing at him.
Glad you are so thrilled of Democrats though. Or is it... there was too much evidence for them to get rid of no matter how hard they tried?
If there is all that much evidence it's because Six and Morrison and their staffs dug it up. Kline tried for 4 years as AG and 2 years as JoCo DA and produced bupkus. He's dumped from office and within 6 months Tiller is indicted on charges he's still fighting. Am I thrilled it was the Democrats who did it? I honestly don't care, so long as it was done.
But just for the record, are you saying you would rather Kline be AG and Tiller remain unindicted over Six as AG and Tiller headed to trial? Is that your position?
Yet, he had a good enough reputation as Attorney General to get the endorsement of the Sheriff's Association and was well rated by NAAG.
Also, the cases he dug up on Tiller were good enough to pass the probable cause threshold for two judges, not good enough to pass muster with Folston- Tiller's friend or Clark who Tiller had ties to.
Yet, there was so much venom spewed by you and others that what the true facts were on those cases have yet to see the light of day.
So, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I would have given Kline a fair shot at remaining AG. As for your supposition Tiller would have remained unindicted, it is without fact or merit. What would be for certain is the opposition to him would have remained as intense as ever as would the vicious personal attacks against him.
Also, having to choose between life, pro life Kline, forcing abortion providers to obey the law, and ending the corruption between the abortion industry and the Kansas State Democratic Party...and Sebelius, Tiller, PP, Morrison, Six, Pro Kan Do, late term and illegal abortions as usual and you.....I think I would choose life and Kline.
Hatred is too strong a word I think. Hatred implies fear or respect. Contempt would be more correct. Contempt for a hack politician and an inept attorney who, with all the resources at his command, was unable to come up with charges that would stick. And as a result of his ineptitude, George Tiller kept his abortion practice in business.
Your summary of the time line completely disregards the opposition he fought.
And what, exactly, was Phill fighting? The Democrat governor? The corrupt legal system? If either of those were true then Tiller would be walking free. Instead he's been under indictment for almost 2 years now, has spent hundreds of thousands on lawyers, lost his ability to easily perform his late term abortions, and is fighting for his very freedom. Phill did nothing because he's incompetent. He surrounded himself with incompetents. He talked a good game and said all the right things to all those groups who paid him a fee but in the end he accomplished zero. And why you and people like you think that's something to be cheered is beyond me. Maybe you're the closet abortion supporters and not me.
Were you one of the ones representing PP or Tiller? That might explain the animosity
Yeah sure. If I were defending Tiller or Planned Parenthood then the last thing I would have wanted was Phill to be defeated. If I were one of their attorneys then I would have had a 100% success rate against Kline and his charges. Why would I want to change that?
Yet, he had a good enough reputation as Attorney General to get the endorsement of the Sheriff's Association and was well rated by NAAG.
And bad enough to be defeated for reelection. Twice. Last time he didn't even make it through the primary.
So, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I would have given Kline a fair shot at remaining AG.
And I'm sure George Tiller would have prefered that you be right. Thank God you weren't.
As for your supposition Tiller would have remained unindicted, it is without fact or merit.
Fact is that Kline accomplished nothing when he was in office. The suggestion that he might have stumbled into a successful prosecution is without fact or merit.
Also, having to choose between life, pro life Kline, forcing abortion providers to obey the law, and ending the corruption between the abortion industry and the Kansas State Democratic Party...and Sebelius, Tiller, PP, Morrison, Six, Pro Kan Do, late term and illegal abortions as usual and you.....I think I would choose life and Kline.
And freedom for Tiller, with continued late term abortions on demand with support manufactured by his pet doctor. You blind hero-worship of that boob Kline has placed loyalty to him over an end to late term abortions in Kansas. Thank God you didn't get your wish.
“You blind hero-worship of that boob Kline has placed loyalty to him over an end to late term abortions in Kansas. Thank God you didn’t get your wish.”
Are you even remotely an honest man? It doesn’t appear so. I said I would give him a fair shot. Something you are incapable of. As for the rest of what you wrote, it was pure distortion.
I would have thought that the goal would be putting George Tiller out of business and not the continued political career of Phill Kline. The undisputable fact is that in his 4 years as AG and 2 years as Johnson County DA Phill Kline managed not a single indictment that stuck against Tiller or Planned Parenthood. It is also undisputable that within 7 months after Kline was defeated for reelection, George Tiller was indicted on enough criminal counts to put him away for a very long time. And that those indictments have not been dismissed or tossed out, unlike Phill's. And it is a final undisputable fact that Phill Kline was badly beaten in the GOP primary for DA and that as a result a Republican holds that office today. More has been done to halt late term abortions in this state with Phill Kline out of office than was ever done with Phill Kline in office. And if that is hatred of the man in your eyes then do be it. In my view it is justified contempt for an inept man.
1. “The undisputable fact is that in his 4 years as AG and years as Johnson County DA Phill Kline managed not a single indictment that stuck against Tiller or Planned Parenthood.” You have absolutely no context with the statement. You will not admit the horrendous opposition Kline faced up to and including the millions spent by Tiller and the opposition by the governor.
2.”It is also undisputable that within 7 months after Kline was defeated for reelection, George Tiller was indicted on enough criminal counts to put him away for a very long time.” Now you are using an unrelated fact as a lie. What Tiller was indicted for came from the Kline investigation. Without Kline, there would have been no indictment as there would have been no investigation. Or did you think Morrison and Sebelius would have gone after their biggest contributor?
3. “And that those indictments have not been dismissed or tossed out, unlike Phill’s.” Again without context. Or did you think Folston and Clark's games were above board? Tiller ran out the clock with the aid of corrupt officials. Remember Morrison's office threatening Dr. McHugh of Johns Hopkins?
4. “And it is a final undisputable fact that Phill Kline was badly beaten in the GOP primary for DA and that as a result a Republican holds that office today.” The air is so poisoned for Kline here in Kansas what else did you expect? The press hates him as much as you do. Remember that hit piece on his living arrangements? Or how about the Snoop Kline mailers? The average Johnson County voter likes Tiller more than Kline. Because he was vilified there was no chance for him to stay. Plus, the two who were up to replace him were long time ADA’s here with no controversy. He never had a chance.
5. “More has been done to halt late term abortions in this state with Phill Kline out of office than was ever done with Phill Kline in office.” Like what? Sebelius vetoed the CARA and the Kansas Board of Healing Arts uses aborted fetuses to practice black masses at their hearings. If there is any decline it is because the abortionists have carpel tunnel syndrome from their exhaustive work. Six hasn't done anything. It is up to the legislature now to retry with Sebelius moving on to push FOCA in practice, if not in name, on the national level.
Finally, while you continue to misconstrue my position on Kline on this and other threads, I will say it again. I am not a Kline supporter. I don't know the man. but I can see when someone is being lied about. What I would like are the FACTS without the hatred or bias. You are incapable of doing that.
I did like Morrison when he was DA. If he hadn't taken Tiller's money and shown to be corrupt, I would have voted for him over Kline. But anyone could have seen how Tiller was buying the office and Morrison put himself up for sale. Afterwards it became apparent he was rotten even while he was DA here. But the people never would have known it. That fault lays with the corrupt press.
And yet that horrendous opposition magically disappears once Phill is out and Morrison is in? You honestly want us to believe that?
Now you are using an unrelated fact as a lie. What Tiller was indicted for came from the Kline investigation.
Completely false. Phill's 'investigation' led to indictments on 30 misdemeanor counts which were promptly thrown out on a technicality that a first year law school student should have spotted. Once in office, if you'll recall, Morrison declined to refile Phill's indictments on the grounds that they were so poorly argued as to be worthless. Tiller now stands charged with almost 20 felony counts. Morrison's indictments were not in any way related to Phill's. In fact, had Morrison proceeded with Phill's December 2006 indictments Tiller would be free today.
Without Kline, there would have been no indictment as there would have been no investigation. Or did you think Morrison and Sebelius would have gone after their biggest contributor?
The facts show that they did. In your conspiracy filled fantasy land, Tiller should have the keys to the capitol. Instead he's facing trial and possible jail.
Again without context. Or did you think Folston and Clark's games were above board? Tiller ran out the clock with the aid of corrupt officials. Remember Morrison's office threatening Dr. McHugh of Johns Hopkins?
Utter nonsense.
The air is so poisoned for Kline here in Kansas what else did you expect? The press hates him as much as you do.
So your whine is that over 60 percent of the Republican voters in the state and two thirds of the Republican voters in Johnson County were so influenced by the press that they voted against Phill in November 2006? And that a similar 60 percent were in the pay of the Star and therefore voted against him in the GOP primary last August. Truly pathetic.
Like what?
Like 19 felony counts against the sole provider of late term abortions in Kansas. You keep on forgetting that in your haste to pay homage to your hero, Phill
“You keep on forgetting that in your haste to pay homage to your hero, Phill” Even though, once again, I pointed out I am not taking Kline's position as much as a neutral one in pointing out corruption. Even though, once again, I have indicated I would have voted for Morrison had he not shown to be so obviously corrupt. Eve though, once again, I am stating I can see Kline was railroaded and whether he was good or bad we will never know. Not that it matters to you.
So, why try? It is time to move on. No matter how I point out statements like “And yet that horrendous opposition magically disappears once Phill is out and Morrison is in? You honestly want us to believe that?” is moronic on its face, it doesn't faze you at all.
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