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To: Dick Bachert

‘Of all the big lies about the War Between the States, the biggest of all may be that it was necessary to end slavery. The truth is that many illustrious southerners, including Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee, recognized that slavery had to come to an end.’

The author loses his crediblity with this.

The CSA’s Constitution codified Slavery. Jefferson Davis was positively outraged at Lincolns Emancipation Proclamation.

And Lee’s army rounded up anyone black and sent them South during both ‘invasions’ of the North.

Basically, by trying this, the author is recreating the ‘Lost Cause’ myth, updated to the year 2009.


3 posted on 02/13/2009 8:14:20 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: Badeye

Interesting, the outrage was due to the fact, the emancipation was for those slaves in the confederate states only... a little known fact is there were slaves in the union especially such states as Maryland and even further North. The South had long feared a slave uprising...this proclamation was viewed in this light and as hypocrisy in action. I still admire Lincoln though. He save the union.


5 posted on 02/13/2009 8:20:31 AM PST by nyconse
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To: Badeye

Thank you for that dose of reality.


6 posted on 02/13/2009 8:23:44 AM PST by NucSubs ( Cognitive dissonance: Conflict or anxiety resulting from inconsistency between beliefs and actions)
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To: Badeye

“The CSA’s Constitution codified Slavery. Jefferson Davis was positively outraged at Lincolns Emancipation Proclamation.”

You seem to forget that the SCOTUS ruled that slavery was legal in the Dred Scott decision. You may disagree with the ruling; but when the Constitution of the Confederacy was written, THAT was the law of the land.

As for President Jefferson Davis’s outrage, how would Lincoln have felt if Davis had issued a “shoot on sight” order against Lincoln.

Deo vindice


10 posted on 02/13/2009 8:25:56 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: Badeye

THIS former Ohioan, whose great-grandfather served with the 80th Ohio Volunteer Infantry in Tennessee, Mississippi and even came through Georgia with Sherman, has come to believe that the wrong side won that sad and deadly internecine conflict (which, BTW, was NOT about slavery). The outcome only served to entrench a bloated and tyrannical federal government on ALL the citizens here — black and white — and damaged the Constitution in ways that are only now becoming manifest. My wife’s great-grandfather also served in the Union Army.
(Anyone interested in knowing just WHAT it was about can visit http://reformed-theology.org/realaudio/ and scroll down to the 4 part series beginning with “The Causes of the War for Southern Independence.”)
Having said that, I find it incredibly interesting that many of the former slaves who went north eventually crossed over into Canada. If the North was so anxious to see these folks “freed,” why did they shuttle them off to Canada? I doubt that slave bounty hunters were safely active in those northern border states.
More liberal hypocrisy?


20 posted on 02/13/2009 8:50:17 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: Badeye

THIS former Ohioan, whose great-grandfather served with the 80th Ohio Volunteer Infantry in Tennessee, Mississippi and even came through Georgia with Sherman, has come to believe that the wrong side won that sad and deadly internecine conflict (which, BTW, was NOT about slavery). The outcome only served to entrench a bloated and tyrannical federal government on ALL the citizens here — black and white — and damaged the Constitution in ways that are only now becoming manifest. My wife’s great-grandfather also served in the Union Army.
(Anyone interested in knowing just WHAT it was about can visit http://reformed-theology.org/realaudio/ and scroll down to the 4 part series beginning with “The Causes of the War for Southern Independence.”)
Having said that, I find it incredibly interesting that many of the former slaves who went north eventually crossed over into Canada. If the North was so anxious to see these folks “freed,” why did they shuttle them off to Canada? I doubt that slave bounty hunters were safely active in those northern border states.
More liberal hypocrisy?


22 posted on 02/13/2009 8:52:29 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: Badeye

If he loses credibility with you on that point, then he should have totaled his credibility with this one.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Despite what most of us have been taught, Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation did not free the slaves. It wasn’t a law, but an edict. It specifically exempted the Border States and any parts of the South that were already under the control of Federal forces. It applied only to areas that were still in rebellion. So the Proclamation, of and by itself, did not free a single slave.
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In other words, the Emancipation Proclamation only applied to those areas that Lincoln could exercise his authority.

So what did Lincoln do to free the states in the states that were part of the union?

Well, first of all it wasn’t needed for most Northern states because those states were already free states.

For the remaining ‘border’ states, what he did was personally push through congress the Thirteenth amendment to the United States Constitution. That amendment abolished slavery in the United States and thus FEED THE SLAVES !!!

So the author can SHOVE his bogus theory where the sun does not shine.

Which constitutional amendment did Abraham Lincoln personally push through Congress and what did it do?


25 posted on 02/13/2009 8:55:14 AM PST by Pikachu_Dad
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