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Twenty-five people at the heart of the meltdown ...
Guardian ^ | 26 Jan 2009 | Julia Finch

Posted on 01/26/2009 10:00:29 AM PST by BGHater

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To: BGHater
Our problem is not who created the financial crisis, the problem is that bi-partisan Washington is in the process of using our money to conceal its complicity. And the fact that these bi-partisan Washingtonians can do just that- demonstrates how we have absolutely no power over this oligarchy that has taken over our government.

Those who are pointing partisan fingers are playing into the Washingtonians' hands- if they at least can keep the people split along a partisan divide, they don't have to worry that the citizens will unite against the real enemy- the Wall St/Washington oligarchy that controls our country.

Vin f/k/a/ wegotsarah.

41 posted on 01/26/2009 11:20:28 AM PST by VinL (VinL---My unauthorized, amateur blog -(wegotsarah.com))
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To: NVDave
Well and good ... but what you're basically saying is that it was beyond the Fed's actual powers to enforce any sort of discipline on the i-banks. And that it was, in fact, up to Congress to regulate these transactions. From that perspective, it's unfair to blame Greenspan for something he couldn't mandate to begin with.

Greenspan doesn't escape blame -- you're correct that he could/should have tried to do something. But more than that: whether he was lucky or good, he basically led the Fed into the trap of believing that they could "manage the economy," with all of the perils that implies. And once he handed over to somebody who was not as lucky or good, problems would be almost inevitable.

42 posted on 01/26/2009 11:35:19 AM PST by r9etb
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To: brytlea

uuummm... what?


43 posted on 01/26/2009 11:41:44 AM PST by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
I'd say Soros saw it coming because it went along as planned. But then, I'm a skeptic like that...


44 posted on 01/26/2009 11:43:34 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Obama thinks spending tax $ on abortions in Mexico helps more than controlling illegal imigration)
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To: jonno

I’m sorry, bad wording. What I meant to say is that even a gay person, looking at the picture, would probably feel sick.


45 posted on 01/26/2009 11:48:20 AM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Soros was the master manipulator (IMHO). Makes me a skeptical cynic as well..


46 posted on 01/26/2009 12:06:07 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: r9etb

It is indeed up to the SEC and Congress to regulate them. But their appetite for risk, especially in the face of these idiotic computer models of risk, was fed by Greenspan’s backstopping them for the EXACT same failure in ‘98.

You’re right that Greenspan doesn’t escape blame - I blame Greenspan the most for setting an expectation of bailing out funds that take idiotic levels of risk.

Bernanke, if he had any market experience, would have told the Street that a) he isn’t Greenspan, b) that means he isn’t going to backstop the i-banks for their idiotic appetite for risk, c) because their portfolios had become far, far bigger than LTCM’s.


47 posted on 01/26/2009 12:10:49 PM PST by NVDave
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros

Currency speculation
On Black Wednesday (September 16, 1992), Soros became immediately famous when he sold short more than $10 billion worth of pounds, profiting from the Bank of England’s reluctance to either raise its interest rates to levels comparable to those of other European Exchange Rate Mechanism countries or to float its currency.

Finally, the Bank of England was forced to withdraw the currency from the European Exchange Rate Mechanism and to devalue the pound sterling, and Soros earned an estimated US$ 1.1 billion in the process. He was dubbed “the man who broke the Bank of England.”

The Times of Monday, October 26, 1992, quoted Soros as saying: “Our total position by Black Wednesday had to be worth almost $10 billion. We planned to sell more than that. In fact, when Norman Lamont said just before the devaluation that he would borrow nearly $15 billion to defend sterling, we were amused because that was about how much we wanted to sell.”

According to Steven Drobny,[15] Stanley Druckenmiller, who traded under Soros, originally saw the weakness in the pound. “Soros’ contribution was pushing him to take a gigantic position,” in accord with Druckenmiller’s own research and instincts.

In 1997, during the Asian financial crisis, then Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir bin Mohamad accused Soros of using the wealth under his control to punish ASEAN for welcoming Myanmar as a member.

Insider trading conviction
In 1988, he was asked to join a takeover attempt of the French bank Société Générale. He declined to participate in the bid but did later buy a number of shares in the company. French authorities began an investigation in 1989, and in 2002 a French court ruled that it was insider trading as defined under French securities laws and fined him $2 million, which was the amount that he made using the insider information.

Punitive damages were not sought because of the delay in bringing the case to trial. Soros denied any wrongdoing and said news of the takeover was public knowledge.[17]

His insider trading conviction was upheld by the highest court in France on June 14, 2006.[18] In December, 2006 he appealed to the European Court of Human Rights, claiming that the 14-year delay in bringing the case to trial precluded a fair hearing.[


48 posted on 01/26/2009 12:25:13 PM PST by a fool in paradise (Obama thinks spending tax $ on abortions in Mexico helps more than controlling illegal imigration)
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To: a fool in paradise

I am looking for the date when he became a naturalized citizen....


49 posted on 01/26/2009 12:32:44 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Liz

Liz, thank you for the info excepts you’ve provided here!


50 posted on 01/26/2009 1:07:11 PM PST by veracious
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
Insider trading conviction In 1988, he was asked to join a takeover attempt of the French bank Société Générale. He declined to participate in the bid but did later buy a number of shares in the company. French authorities began an investigation in 1989, and in 2002 a French court ruled that it was insider trading as defined under French securities laws and fined him $2 million, which was the amount that he made using the insider information.

Punitive damages were not sought because of the delay in bringing the case to trial. Soros denied any wrongdoing and said news of the takeover was public knowledge.[17]

His insider trading conviction was upheld by the highest court in France on June 14, 2006.[18] In December, 2006 he appealed to the European Court of Human Rights, claiming that the 14-year delay in bringing the case to trial precluded a fair hearing.

This is what I am not getting....if Soros was convicted of insider trading in France, a conviction upheld by the highest court in France in 2006, are there any restrictions on what he can do in the US financial market?

Especially with statements such as this:“America, under Bush, is a danger to the world,” Soros told Laura Blumenfeld of the Washington Post. “Then he smiled,” she wrote, “’And I’m willing to put my money where my mouth is.’” [FrontPageMagazine.com | Thursday, November 13, 2003 ]

51 posted on 01/26/2009 1:29:48 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: kidd

Um, they do put blame on Clinton, CRA, Dodd (although they skip of Frank), and irresponsible borrowers.


52 posted on 01/26/2009 4:17:31 PM PST by sanchmo
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To: veracious

You’re very welcome.


53 posted on 01/26/2009 6:12:24 PM PST by Liz (The right to be left alone is the beginning of freedom. USSC Justice William O. Douglas)
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To: r9etb

Congress’ Financial Mess
Walter E. Williams
Wednesday, January 14, 2009

http://townhall.com/Common/PrintPage.aspx?g=a756db7f-c982-4a19-affa-49fbb4cd2558&t=c


54 posted on 01/27/2009 10:56:52 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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