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Twenty-five people at the heart of the meltdown ...
Guardian ^ | 26 Jan 2009 | Julia Finch

Posted on 01/26/2009 10:00:29 AM PST by BGHater

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To: marshmallow
They could have added the names of Peter Schiff and Ron Paul to “six who saw it coming” and the name of Soros should be added to the list of those who caused it along with many others too numerous to mention.

Trifecta of names missing from the list, kudos!

21 posted on 01/26/2009 10:42:11 AM PST by Starfleet Command
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To: BGHater

Wow, they actually name Bill Clinton and Chris Dodd!


22 posted on 01/26/2009 10:42:30 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: BGHater
The American public - There's no escaping the fact: politicians might have teed up the financial system and failed to police it properly and Wall Street's greedy bankers might have got carried away with the riches they could generate, but if millions of Americans had just realised they were borrowing more than they could repay then we would not be in this mess. The British public got just as carried away. We are the credit junkies of Europe and many of our problems could easily have been avoided if we had been more sensible and just said no.
23 posted on 01/26/2009 10:42:59 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Obama thinks spending tax $ on abortions in Mexico helps more than controlling illegal imigration)
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To: Army Air Corps

Missed Barney Fwank.


24 posted on 01/26/2009 10:43:23 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Obama thinks spending tax $ on abortions in Mexico helps more than controlling illegal imigration)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I wesent that wemark.


25 posted on 01/26/2009 10:43:53 AM PST by McGruff
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To: skipper18
Please, someone here, tell me how 500 Trillion in derivitives sold against the future productivity of the United States should not have been regulated? I’d love to hear the rationale.

We're on the same side there, FRiend ... I was only taking issue with that particular sentence in the article.

26 posted on 01/26/2009 10:45:20 AM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

The Fed has regulatory oversight of some aspects of the banking system, in particular the banks that are members of the Federal Reserve.


27 posted on 01/26/2009 10:45:41 AM PST by NVDave
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To: Liz
With $165,400, Sen. Dodd also tops the list of members of Congress who took campaign cash from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac since 1989. Sen. Barack Obama, the self-styled agent of change, is a distant second at $126,000....

The difference between $165,400 and $126,000 is not so great when you realize that it took Dodd neat 20 years to collect that much and Barack Obama less than 4 years to do so.

Barry should have his name added to the list. And his insistence on a bailout which has only seen the market respond with negatives.

28 posted on 01/26/2009 10:46:12 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Obama thinks spending tax $ on abortions in Mexico helps more than controlling illegal imigration)
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To: skipper18

Ask Phil Gramm (R-TX). He was the guy who wrote the Commodities Futures Modernization Act of 2000, which allowed energy and financial futures to be moved outside the regulated futures exchanges that have been around for decades to trade ag commodity futures.


29 posted on 01/26/2009 10:47:10 AM PST by NVDave
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To: mgc1122

They left out Congress in general, who has the responsibility to oversee Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and Barney Frank in particular who did all he could to cover for them.


30 posted on 01/26/2009 10:47:54 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. Margret Thatcher)
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To: a fool in paradise

Yep. No mention of the Banking Queen.


31 posted on 01/26/2009 10:50:03 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: NVDave
The Fed has regulatory oversight of some aspects of the banking system, in particular the banks that are members of the Federal Reserve.

However, I do not believe that the really big players -- Lehman Bros., Bear-Stearns, Goldman-Sachs, and so on -- were not covered by Fed oversight.

Perhaps it's just a difference in emphasis....

It was interesting to see Bill Clinton mentioned by name, finally.

32 posted on 01/26/2009 10:50:51 AM PST by r9etb
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To: BGHater

The whole article is a load of crap.

It is meant to bolster the Democrat argument that greedy corporations and eeeevil republicans are to blame.

No mention of the millions of people who couldn’t pay their mortgage.

No mention of Clinton-era measures that enabled these risky loans (enhanced Community Reinvestment act, etc).

No mention of the purposeful misdirection by Frank and Dodd. No mention that Bush attempts to provide more oversight to Fannie/Frddie was blocked by these two.

And no mention that Obama was part of a legal team that forced Citibank to provide loans to risky lenders in Chicago.


33 posted on 01/26/2009 10:53:44 AM PST by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: BGHater

I would add to the list of culprits:

- the CEO’s of the monoline insurers
- the quants who created the VaR model
- economists of every stripe up and down Wall Street and in the housing industry
- the National Ass’n of Realtors

And to the list who saw it coming:

- David Einhorn, Greenlight Capital
- Bill Ackman, Pershing Square
- Nassim Nicholas Taleb
- Benoit Mandelbrot

And from quite a remove of time:

- Hyman Minsky
- Irving Fisher


34 posted on 01/26/2009 10:53:48 AM PST by NVDave
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To: BGHater

This recent debacle is what I call the first sack of the American public. There was a vast amount of wealth accumulated by the American public post WWII. The politicians seeing the changing demographics and aware of the various ethnic coalitions need the money to buy the votes. The politicians cannot yet actually seize our wealth so they do it indirectly. The pols will now bail out the Third Worlders and we get to thank them.


35 posted on 01/26/2009 10:54:27 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Army Air Corps
Or his boy toy on this inside.


36 posted on 01/26/2009 10:54:30 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Obama thinks spending tax $ on abortions in Mexico helps more than controlling illegal imigration)
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To: a fool in paradise
Alan Greenspan, chairman of US Federal Reserve 1987- 2006
Mervyn King, governor of the Bank of England
Bill Clinton, former US president
Gordon Brown, prime minister
George W Bush, former US president
Senator Phil Gramm
Abby Cohen, Goldman Sachs chief US strategist
Kathleen Corbet, former CEO, Standard & Poor’s
“Hank” Greenberg, AIG insurance group
Andy Hornby, former HBOS boss
Steve Crawshaw, former B&B boss
Adam Applegarth, former Northern Rock boss
Dick Fuld, Lehman Brothers chief executive
Ralph Cioffi and Matthew Tannin
Lewis Ranieri
Joseph Cassano, AIG Financial Products
Chuck Prince, former Citi boss
Angelo Mozilo, Countrywide Financial
Stan O’Neal, former boss of Merrill Lynch
Jimmy Cayne, former Bear Stearns boss
Christopher Dodd
Geir Haarde, Icelandic prime minister
The American public
John Tiner, FSA chief executive, 2003-07

... and six more who saw it coming
Andrew Lahde
John Paulson, hedge fund boss
Professor Nouriel Roubini
Warren Buffett, billionaire investor
George Soros, speculator
Stephen Eismann, hedge fund manager
Meredith Whitney, Oppenheimer Securities

37 posted on 01/26/2009 10:55:27 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: r9etb

Correct, the i-banks were outside of Fed regulatory control... BUT, the Fed set an expectation of a safety net when the Fed orchestrated the bailout of LTCM in ‘98.

The Fed could have had one of their “Come to Jesus” meetings at the NY Fed, calling in the heads of the i-banks and laid down the warning “You’re way too levered up, you’re too large for us to backstop you. If you go under, you can take under the US banking system. Therefore, we (the Fed) will be approaching Congress to recommend additional regulation of investment banks.”

The Fed has MANY more tools at their disposal than just the ones enshrined in paper. They have this very broad mandate to assure continued operations of the US banking system, and if the Fed had shown some real leadership (rather than idiotic cheerleading), the Fed could have made such a “unofficial chat” and subsequent recommendations to Congress under their broad mandate for insuring open market operations and banking stability. If the Fed had been ignored (and it is is entirely possible that Frank, Dodd, et al would have stiff-armed Bernanke), then the Fed would at least have had the moral authority to treat the banks with much less courtesy today. The Fed would have been able to say “We did our job. Congress did not. We’re now going to take extraordinary measures...” and so on.

The Fed has extraordinary powers over the banking system, since they are the “bank of last reserve” in addition to a huge repository of research, data, etc. If we had someone other than an academic running the Fed, some things might have been done....


38 posted on 01/26/2009 11:00:22 AM PST by NVDave
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To: Amos the Prophet

Check out the comments section. People want to blame Thatcher and Reagan!


39 posted on 01/26/2009 11:05:17 AM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Even is one is gay that picture has to make you ill.


40 posted on 01/26/2009 11:10:37 AM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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