Unknown "Structures" Tugging at Universe, Study Says [ Dark Flow ]

National Geographic News ^ | November 5, 2008 | John Roach

[GoLightly]

Cell? I used the model of the atom. All that spinny, going round & round stuff, doncha know? And yes, spinny is a word, because I said it is, so there!

[GoLightly]

In case you missed it, as it was stuck in the middle of a thread about the economic melt down. Let me see if I can replicate the effect here, tho I'm HTML challenged....

Oh noes, we're all gonna die!

[GoLightly]

Hell, everything in the universe has a tendency to spin, why not the whole damned thing is spinning (we would never know it since we have no reference). This would explain why everything is flying outward without the need of some great attractor over the horizon we can never prove.....Or put another way, when God created the primordial fireball of the big bang, he put a little English on it as expansion began.

Expansion is a better way to say it than flying outward. It's like space is growing in between everything at an increasing rate of speed.

[The Cajun]

It's like space is growing in between everything at an increasing rate of speed.

If space is growing (expanding) at an increasing rate of speed, wonder what time is up to?

[GoLightly]

If space is growing (expanding) at an increasing rate of speed, wonder what time is up to?

OOooo, now you're really taxing my brain. I think that it depends on which theory about time that you use. I mostly wonder what it does with "c".

[The Cajun]

I mostly wonder what it does with "c".

Well dealing with "c" we'll first have to figure out exactly what the hell a photon is and does it really exist in our three-dimensional spatial/one dimensional temporal universe. "c" = speed of light, light = photon, speed of light = time dilation maximum (time stopped)/ length contraction maximum (distance zero). It would appear to me that time and distance does not exist for a photon in "flight", therefore it does not exist in our 3Dimen/1temp dimen universe.

[my_pointy_head_is_sharp]

Obama is everywhere!

Kneel to Zed.

[yield 2 the right]

Pray that this is not reality in 2010/2012/thereafter

[GoLightly]

therefore it does not exist in our 3Dimen/1temp dimen universe

If it does not exist in our 3Dimen/1temp dimen universe, wouldn't it be uneffected by any medium that is within our 3Dimen/1temp dimen universe?

[The Cajun]

wouldn't it be uneffected by any medium that is within our 3Dimen/1temp dimen universe?

Keeping in mind that I'm just a semi-educated Cajun who has been told by various experts that I know just enough to be very dangerous to knowledge in several fields;-)..........I think I've read that there is no way to detect a photon in "flight" until it smashes into something (detector, retina etc. etc.), but that does not mean that something in our universe (gravity) will not effect its' flight path.

[GoLightly]

Many things in this known universe affect photons, which is why "c" is the speed of light in a vacuum. There's supposed to be some kind of fiber that allows light to travel faster than the speed of light, which is like saying that it gets to the end before it leaves. Please, don't ask me to explain how, because it has me totally baffled.

[The Cajun]

Explains better than I where I'm coming from with the above screwy ideas.

Link to Quantum Weirdness

[Bellflower]

Pray we are alive to vote in 2012. I will not be surprised if I am hauled out at night to be shot. God willing and hopefully not.

[stripes1776]

Hell, everything in the universe has a tendency to spin, why not the whole damned thing is spinning (we would never know it since we have no reference). This would explain why everything is flying outward without the need of some great attractor over the horizon we can never prove.....Or put another way, when God created the primordial fireball of the big bang, he put a little English on it as expansion began.

Well, the problem with your theory is that the spinning (another way of saying expansion) should slow down due to gravity. But it is not slowing down. So you could postulate at least two theories for the increase. Either there is some kind of dark energy or force causing the expansion, or you could say that God is still applying the English. That would make English the universal language.