'Flying saucer' filmed in Turkey

The Sun ^ | 21 Oct 2008 | SEBASTIAN LANDER

[Quix]

Here’s some links etc. to review:

Some research:

http://www.alienscalpel.com/MUFON.htm

substances analysis links:

http://www.alienscalpel.com/articles.html

Particular case:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK0708/S00351.htm

DR LEAR’S general website link:

http://www.alienscalpel.com/main.htm

[yazoo]

John Lear is a pretty good scientist.

“And, given all the givens . . . he’s been pretty meticulous in getting such things analyzed.”

So, he’s discovered a new element from some alien spaceship and no one except those who go to his websites know anything about it. A new element, discovered in that way, would make the cover of Scientific American. He doesn’t sound very meticulous to me, or he’d be sharing this in Science Journals.

In any case, he must know very little about physics or he’d know a spacecraft from the nearest star would have to travel thousands of years to get here.

[yazoo]

By the way, if you read Lear’s 1987 statement on UFO’s it is clearly the works of one very disturbed individual. He believes alien creatures were living in underground caves and eating humans. He is also not a scientist, having dropped out of college while studying industrial design. He is highly accomplished in aviation, but that gives him absolutely no credibility on the subject of “out of this world materials.”

[DainBramage]

I wonder if these are piloted by the “greys” or the ridgebacked browns that especially like young blonde boys.

[Quix]

Your ASSUMPTIONS are showing.

[Quix]

So nice of you to reveal your thoroughness in

scientific thought and research.

You are confusing two different Lears.

On is the son of the inventor of the Lear Jet—rather accomplished in a list of ways. Who’s to say which of his wild claims are true, or not. He’s certainly got the connections to know things others don’t know.

The one this thread is concerned about is an MD . . . who’s single-handedly achieved a LOT of progress in the area of alien implants.

In any case . . . your brazen cluelessness about the two different Lear’s is a great testimony to the “scientific thoroughness” of most naysayers.

I thank you.

[topcat54]

By the way, if you read Lear’s 1987 statement on UFO’s

It's Leir, not Lear.

William Lear built jets and 8-track players for cars (I had one in my '69 Cougar).

Roger Leir is a tin-foil hat crackpot.

[JoJo Gunn]

Leir's site is tailor made for the psychological cripples who eat the alien abduction crap like so much candy. Sometimes I think that his kind should be skinned alive at high noon for preying on such.

[ZX12R]

Roger Leir is a tin-foil hat crackpot.

Fantasy indulgence error...TYPE II.

[yazoo]

“who’s single-handedly achieved a LOT of progress in the area of alien implants.”

And you call me clueless? I still want to know how it is that aliens travel thousands of years to get here, seem to have human type bodies (the odds being about a trillion to one squared), fly in aircrafts that match our idea of what they should look like, and then only are known about by a few nut jobs with websites. Do you have to fight back the urge to think through any of this logically, or is all of this just to exciting to question?

[yazoo]

“William Lear built jets and 8-track players for cars (I had one in my ‘69 Cougar).”

Damn google.

[Quix]

Bio
Dr. Roger Leir, author of “Aliens and the Scalpel,” has been said to be one of the worlds most important leaders in physical evidence research involving the field of Ufology. He and his surgical team have performed nine surgeries on alleged alien abductees. This resulted in the removal of ten separate and distinct objects suspected of being alien implants. These objects have been scientifically investigated by some of the most prestigious laboratories in the world. Their findings have been baffling and some comparisons have been made to meteorite samples. Dr. Leir anticipates performing more surgeries in the future and will investigate the physiological and biological aspects of the abduction phenomenon. He has also formed a non-profit organization for this purpose called “A & S Research Inc.”

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I’ll take Dr Leir’s mental horsepower and conclusions over yours any day, afternoon, night, week, month, year, decade, century.

[Quix]

BTW,

I find your question so

exceedingly and extremely ignorant of the literature as to be enormously beneath bothering about.

[Quix]

From:

HERE: http://www.alienscalpel.com/MUFON.htm

. . .

[EXCERPTS (color emphasis and extra paragraphing Quix's as usual):]

For many years, this 44-year-old female appeared to be having strange dreams involving visitations of creatures and other representative associations with the abduction phenomena. She was able to draw quite accurately a figure she saw in her bedroom that woke her out of a deep sleep by choking her. She asked him why he was doing what he did and he simply stated, “I’m just trying to wake you up.” The Being she illustrated in her drawing was what we have come to know as a “Preying Mantis Being”. She stated she could see him quite clearly and described him in her drawing with much detail.

There also was a history of her association with other Beings. In addition a strong history of other characteristics associated with the phenomena such as strange body markings, fears of Bears, a strong dislike of circuses and clowns, desire for salty foods, aversion to strong lights in a medical setting such as the light above a dental chair and the necessity for her dentist to use large amounts of anesthesia to accomplish his task.

Next, she explained she had a strange metallic object somewhere in her mouth. Brenda told us she had numerous x-rays taken by her dentist and was questioned about the object. She told him she knew nothing about its origin or how it could have gotten inside her mouth. They were uncertain as to the exact location of the object due to the dental views taken. I asked her to send the films for evaluation and she complied.

We then used dental consultants on our panel of specialists to review the films and give us an opinion. What seemed to me initially to be a very simple diagnostic assignment became more complex because they were not able to determine the exact location of the object.

In one view it would appear to be in the gum area and in other views it appeared to be in the soft tissue of the lining of the mouth. I then asked Brenda to have more x-ray views taken according to the wishes of our dental experts. She complied without hesitation or argument. Finally she was requested to have a CAT scan performed.

When this data arrived the dental consults agreed the object was in her cheek. At that point all the reports and films were taken to out radiological expert. He determined the object was about 6mm in length and about 1mm in thickness, located superficial to one of the facial muscles and relatively close to the skin of the right cheek.

Once this information was in our hands, the case was fully evaluated by our scientific panel. We then agreed to perform the surgery for removal of the object. It should be noted, as with the other surgeries we have performed, Brenda had never undergone regressive hypnosis to advance her memories. We have come to believe, if the process of abduction goes according to plan, then the victim is to have no memory of the event or events whatsoever.

In many instances the surgical patient determines he or she would like to have this procedure performed and so we try and help by arranging a hypnotic regression at sometime following the surgical extraction. In Brenda’s case, we called Budd Hopkins, who in turn conversed with her at length on the telephone. He agreed to arrange a session with her after the surgery was performed, sometime in January of 2004.

We will continue to share pertinent information with Budd during the time in-between the surgery and his regression Brenda arrived in California a couple of days before the day of the surgery so that we could evaluate her laboratory tests and perform other tests necessary to better understand the object contained within her cheek. A gauss meter was used to determine if there was an electromagnetic field surrounding the object.

We physically took the patient out into a parking lot, away from any electromagnetic sources and determined there was a field surrounding the object of 2.5 mill gauss. In addition, with the use of a Radio Frequency Detector, we determined there were emanations coming from her cheek that registered at 92.7 and 102.9 megahertz. Also, using a small compact instrument, which measures density, we were able to pin point the exact location of the object.

What does all this mean? To be quite frank, I would have to say we do not know. It is data that will have to be evaluated down the line and then compared to the findings from other patients. We have had several other cases in which there were electromagnetic fields surrounding the object but have never had the opportunity to look for radio frequencies.

After evaluating all the laboratory data it was determined that Brenda was in satisfactory physical health and the surgery could go forward. On December the 5th, her surgery was performed. If it were not for the fact we had use of a sophisticated and new Fluoroscan Unit, we would have never been able to remove the object.

The surgeon placed an instrument into the wound and we observed the object along with the metallic instrument on a television screen. We all stood dumbfounded as we watched the small metallic object simply turn and dance away from the instrument. For almost an hour a very frustrated and patient surgical team painstakingly sought to grasp this illusive metallic rod.

[Quix: This is a frequent experience when trying to remove such things. There's never been any kind of functionally plausible explanation about the mechanics of such. It IS, however, a common phenomena.]

Suddenly there it was, between the teeth of the instrument and came to the surface easily, seemingly attached to nothing. What is the explanation for all the illusive movement? Was it simply due to the object’s magnetic field or was there some other reason we do not understand?

I removed the object from the surgical sponge and placed it in the solution of blood serum for safekeeping and transportation. When this was done I noted the stainless steel instrument I had just used to transfer the object had been magnetized. This again is strange because these instruments are made to reduce the possibility of this occurring.

The patient is recovering nicely from the procedure and has gone home to her family. We have just sent the soft tissue surrounding the object to the laboratory for analysis. The metallic object is about 6mm in length and is about 1mm in diameter. It is bronze in color and seems to have thickened and beveled ends. It is very lightweight and highly magnetic.

Once close up photographs have been performed with such equipment as the atomic force microscope, the object will go for its first internal test of scanning electron microscopy. The full results of these examinations will be available in the Mufon Journal at a later date.

Purchases of all videos and books relating to this research may be made through our website, (Alienscalpel.com) or by calling 805-495-2613. All purchases or contributions are fully tax deductible. [Qx and go toward supporting such surgeries so the patient has no expenses.]

[Quix]

IIRC,

Stanton Friedman deals with such silly questions on his website.

[JoJo Gunn]

Now you went and done it. He's name-dropping the likes of Budd Hopkins now, fer cryin' out loud!

*snicker*

[Chode]

if it is a chip in the lens etc., wouldn't it always be in the same position on the film??? example, unless it was in the center of the lens, you could never center it, right?

[yazoo]

“exceedingly and extremely ignorant of the literature as to be enormously beneath bothering about.”

Well, you are right, I haven’t read the literature quite as carefully as you have. In fact, I haven’t read it at all. I did notice when they found a new species of deer in Laos it was front page on National Geographic and just about every other periodical on wildlife you can name. Interesting how these implants never seem to get beyond a few web sites.

[Las Vegas Dave]

Interesting! Any updates on the analysis since the 2003 surgery?

[Quix]

Other than what he said on C2C the night Whitley hosted or on his website, I know nothing else.

Thx.