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How immigration can save rock'n'roll (stark raving socialism from the Guardian)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/aug/18/immigration.can.save.rock ^ | Monday August 18 2008 | Steven Wells

Posted on 08/18/2008 11:57:20 AM PDT by weegee

Our formerly industrial cities are in desperate need of fresh blood. We aren't having enough babies, and the counter culture spawned in the 1950s and 60s and the music most associated with it is coughing its lungs up... in Spanish retirement villas, old folks homes, indie blogs, dad-rock mags and other urine-reeking bolt-holes where the living dead gather to conspire against the young...

Meanwhile, the developing world is bursting at the seams with babies, toddlers and teenagers, many of whom would love to come to the West but can't because of bizarre racist immigration policies and the absurd and morally and intellectually indefensible... notion that workers shouldn't be allowed to live anywhere in the world they damn well please.

The solution is obvious. The West needs immigration like the deserts need the rain. To stave off cultural brain death and save rock'n'roll we must throw open the floodgates of immigration. By doing so, the young will once again outnumber the nearly dead - totally revitalising music and providing "us" with a new generation of both avant garde artists and audiences for avant garde art. Music in particular would experience the dizzying and exhilarating rush of input from dozens of other cultures, hopefully drowning out the dull, smug, self-referential, post-Smiths indie/hipster monoculture once and for all.

As an added bonus, an entire generation of developing world youth would be removed from the cockpit of religious fundamentalism (presuming they don't make the hideous mistake of moving to the American bible belt) and would be exposed to the irresistible distractions of sex, drugs and rock'n'roll. They would be won over forever to the light side of the force (the enlightenment, liberalism, atheism, sexual permissiveness, punk rock, disco dancing, ice cream, real ale, books, puppy dogs and all that good stuff).

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Cheese, Moose, Sister; Music/Entertainment
KEYWORDS: aliens; anarchyintheuk; barfalert; culturewar; immigration; maninadress; orwelliannightmare; rockandroll; starkravingsocialism; thereisnoenglandnow
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1 posted on 08/18/2008 11:57:20 AM PDT by weegee
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To: 537cant be wrong; Aeronaut; bassmaner; Bella_Bru; Big Guy and Rusty 99; Brian Allen; cgk; ...

Rock and Roll PING!


2 posted on 08/18/2008 11:58:39 AM PDT by weegee (The higher taxes that Obama demands of Americans are 'Above my Pay Grade'.)
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To: weegee
the absurd and morally and intellectually indefensible... notion that workers shouldn't be allowed to live anywhere in the world they damn well please.

If that isn't the epitome of marxist triumphalizm, I don't know what is.

3 posted on 08/18/2008 12:03:09 PM PDT by ichabod1 (If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it, and if it stops moving, subsidize it.)
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To: weegee
What an utterly laughable diatribe by a self hating "Brit".

It's twisted garbage like him that led us into the sick world of abortion, population control, divided families and solitary lives ending in ignominous death in the first place.

So his solution is just replace the population of Britain with anyone else but...the British?

Better idea....he offs himself, everyone else comes to their senses and starts having children again, and Britain will be resurgent.

And as far as the idiot remark about moving to the Bible Belt of the U.S., where the hell does he think Rock&Roll came from in the first place?

I mean, ever been to Tupelo, mate?

4 posted on 08/18/2008 12:08:49 PM PDT by Regulator (Obama = Mugabe)
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To: weegee
To stave off cultural brain death and save rock'n'roll we must throw open the floodgates of immigration.

OK, you give that a try in the UK and report back to us in 30 years.

5 posted on 08/18/2008 12:09:09 PM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: The_Victor
OK, you give that a try in the UK and report back to us in 30 years.

I thought they already did. Where on the Billboard chart is the latest Pakistani-Liverpool fusion band?

6 posted on 08/18/2008 12:12:15 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Whale oil: the renewable biofuel for the 21st century.)
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To: weegee
Good evidence why rock critics aren't allowed anywhere near politics.

It's a real example of stupidity: a lot of those "kids" will be more into religious fundamentalism than "enlightenment, liberalism, atheism, sexual permissiveness, punk rock, disco dancing, ice cream, real ale, books, puppy dogs and all that good stuff" -- if only because that stuff is the pablum of old White guys like Wells himself (see the anecdote at the end about the two "British-Pakistani kids" Wells grew up with).

For old rock critics aren't so very different from the old guy in the Sex Pistols t-shirt whose picture accompanies the article. That's the great secret of alternative weeklies and their critics: they're actually old guys latching on to youth culture to keep from showing their real age.

I'm not sure what it has to do with socialism, though. As the article's published in the Guardian it would be a surprise if it wasn't written by a socialist, but it doesn't look like he's primarily writing about any economic or political system, just venting his own boredom.

7 posted on 08/18/2008 12:15:28 PM PDT by x
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To: Regulator
Orwell observed Stalinist Socialists first hand and the experience soured him on the politics of Socialism.

The views are nothing new. The goals are a bit more apparent now. They want to tear down Western civilization by any means necessary.

8 posted on 08/18/2008 12:19:48 PM PDT by weegee (The higher taxes that Obama demands of Americans are 'Above my Pay Grade'.)
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To: Regulator

According to this fool “baby boomers” invented rock and roll. Along with sex.

Never mind that baby boom brats were hearing the music of juke joints and roadhouses listened to by industrial laborers (who migrated from the South to the North for work).

It wasn’t kiddie fare until AFTER it’d been around many years and the real deal was replaced with the Brill Building mass marketed pop version.


9 posted on 08/18/2008 12:22:44 PM PDT by weegee (The higher taxes that Obama demands of Americans are 'Above my Pay Grade'.)
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To: weegee
Dude has issues waaaay beyond rock and roll.

From Wiki... Steven Wells (nicknamed Swells) is a British journalist and author currently based in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA. He began as a punk poet and stand-up similar to John Cooper Clarke. He would appear (sometimes under the names "Seething Wells" or "Susan Williams" - in this last guise, in which he would sometimes wear a dress, he received fan mail from Kathy Acker who saw Susan as a fellow radical female writer) as a support act to various Northern punk bands, such as The Fall, the Mekons, Gang of Four and Joy Division.

10 posted on 08/18/2008 12:25:18 PM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: x

His railing against immigration laws, boasting of radicalism, liberalism, and atheism. He isn’t tolerant of all political views. He has a chip on his shoulder. And I think it came from the hindquarters of a cow.


11 posted on 08/18/2008 12:25:56 PM PDT by weegee (The higher taxes that Obama demands of Americans are 'Above my Pay Grade'.)
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To: 3AngelaD

Interesting how he complains of the state of things in England when he isn’t even based there now. Does he take the reports from others that it is culturally dead?


12 posted on 08/18/2008 12:27:58 PM PDT by weegee (The higher taxes that Obama demands of Americans are 'Above my Pay Grade'.)
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To: weegee

One thing the West and the World really don’t need more of is avant garde artists, or anything else.


13 posted on 08/18/2008 12:40:17 PM PDT by chesley ( Ya can't make chick'n dumplin's outta chick'n feathers!!)
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To: weegee
the music most associated with it is coughing its lungs up... in Spanish retirement villas

I'd love to see this puke say that to Keith Richards.

L

14 posted on 08/18/2008 12:41:14 PM PDT by Lurker (Islam is an insane death cult. Any other aspects are PR to get them within throat-cutting range.)
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Keith lives in Connecticut these days.


15 posted on 08/18/2008 12:45:07 PM PDT by weegee (The higher taxes that Obama demands of Americans are 'Above my Pay Grade'.)
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To: weegee
As an added bonus, an entire generation of developing world youth would be removed from the cockpit of religious fundamentalism (presuming they don't make the hideous mistake of moving to the American bible belt) and would be exposed to the irresistible distractions of sex, drugs and rock'n'roll. They would be won over forever to the light side of the force (the enlightenment, liberalism, atheism, sexual permissiveness, punk rock, disco dancing, ice cream, real ale, books, puppy dogs and all that good stuff).

What a complete retard! Liberalism really is the pits! These people are going to bring their fundamentalism, mainly wahabi Islamofascist values here to do Britain what happened in Gaza and the West bank.

16 posted on 08/18/2008 1:00:49 PM PDT by mainestategop (MAINE: The way communism should be)
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To: The_Victor
“OK, you give that a try in the UK and report back to us in 30 years”

Unfortunately, they won't be able to report back. After 30 years of floodgate immigration they won't have the communication infrastructure to report anything.

17 posted on 08/18/2008 1:46:31 PM PDT by Poopyhead (I'm so ronery, so very ronery.)
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To: weegee

Mixing ice cream with dung doesn’t do much for the dung but ruins the ice cream. That’s not racism. I am a cultural supremacist though.


18 posted on 08/18/2008 1:56:29 PM PDT by Free Descendant
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To: weegee

“Meanwhile, the developing world is bursting at the seams with babies, toddlers and teenagers, many of whom would love to come to the West but can’t because of bizarre racist immigration policies and the absurd and morally and intellectually indefensible (not to mention anti-democratic and anti-free enterprise) notion that workers shouldn’t be allowed to live anywhere in the world they damn well please.”

Okay, all pretend free traders and pretend free marketers and pretend globalists, if you don’t agree with the above, then you really are just a pretender. The free movement of labor is the missing piece of true free trade and true free markets.

If we have the free movement of capital, and the free movement of goods and services, then the free movement of labor is required to reach that Utopian state of free trade and free markets for all.

Not for it myself, but anyone who says they favor free trade and free markets, but who opposes the free movement of labor, then you really are just a pretender, or maybe you’re just one more poser who likes to have these things rigged for your benefit.


19 posted on 08/18/2008 2:10:19 PM PDT by Will88 (.)
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To: Regulator

Good one. Now I don’t have to write a response to this twit


20 posted on 08/19/2008 1:05:02 AM PDT by dennisw (That Muhammad was a charlatan. Islam is a hoax, an imperialistic ideology, disguised as religion.)
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