As Diseases Make Comeback, Why Aren't All Kids Vaccinated?

Popular Mechanics ^ | August 2008 | Glenn Harlan Reynolds

[Vermont Lt]

Don’t they implant the chips during the vaccination process?

//tin foil hat off

[autumnraine]

Then you are a very lucky person to have not had your children come into contact with diseased people.

[autumnraine]

I don’t think she is being being overly dramatic. It is true that mumps can make you sterile. And if your son gets the measles, it can be passed to the unborn child, even if the mother has been immunized herself.

[js1138]

I have an aunt (in-law) who got measles encephalitis before immunizations were available. she has been institutionalized for over 50 years. The immunizations are at least a hundred times less likely to cause this than the disease.

[austinmark]

Two Words.........

ILLEAGLE ALIENS !

[MeanWestTexan]

Phama companies don’t make squat on routine vaccines.

The patents ran out long ago.

Anti-vaccine whackos, however, get sick and make a lot of money for the phama industry.

[Dr. Sivana]

Stand by for a load of mindless anti vaccine drivel and pseudo science that is headed your way.

(I LOVE your about page, and don't worry about missing ND, I drove through it. There's a Wal-Mart in Fargo and that's about it. Nice people though.)

Second, I hope you will allow for some of us who are neither unabashedly pro-vaccination nor anti. We take each type of vaccine on a case-by-case basis.

First, there is no need to get nine vaccines in one sitting. We prefer to spread it out.

Second, with a stay at home mom (no day care), there is no urgency in getting all of the vaccines before age two. Again, we like to spread it out.

Third, we do not want to be the first on the block to try one. The first version of the Hepatitis B vaccine had real serious problems and had to be pulled from the market. The HPV vaccine may be even worse. The Lyme Disease vaccine has a bad track record of effectiveness, and sometimes causes side-effects disproportionate to its usefulness.

Fourth, if the resulting disease is only very rarely serious or if the protection of the vaccine wears off after a while, we'd rather just get the disease and be truly immune. The custom of purpose acquiring chicken pox when very young and being quarantined works well (except for the most sickly children, who may well have problems with the vaccine). There is a real problem with the first generation of chicken pox vaccine receivers acquiring it in college, when it is more serious. On the other hand, tetanus shots have a good track record, and we get ours along with boosters as needed, as we live in the country and are at somewhat higher risk.

Fifth, we prefer variations of the vaccine that have NO (as in en-oh) chance of spawning the disease. Only a few years ago the ONLY cases of polio in the U.S. were caused by the live cell polio vaccine. The U.S. has since followed most of the rest of the world and now goes with the more expensive and somewhat less effective dead cell version.

Sixth, all things being equal, we would rather get a vaccine that where the original human donor was not purposely aborted for purposes of the vaccine. This is not an absolute requirement.

We may have other considerations, but they are not mindless, and it is not pseudo-science. We think of it as prudence.

[arthurus]

I am generally in favor of vaccintion with one hard exception for myself and that is influenza. The only serious cases of flu I have ever had followed the only two flu shots I ever had. I won't măke that mistake again.

[VOA]

I said spefically Mexico and he said yes, that is what the memo
from the CDC said.

I can't help but wonder if some brave person at the CDC put their
career on ice (or lost it) by telling the truth.

[eeevil conservative]

where do you think he got the mono from?

folks, I will not bash anyone who does vaccinate their children, ever.

But I did my research on this issue, and I am very happy with my own decision- my children are very pleased also.

If you all are pleased with your decision, then God Bless you. I offer no words or thoughts of ill will whatsoever, and no assumptions on your IQ.

[kailbo]

“Yes, you should listen to your betters.”

Can you teach me how to walk on water too?

[elc]

It’s not too hard for his wife to have some blood drawn to see if she has the antibody titer for measles. I would suggest that pregnant women do this anyway, even if their husband hasn’t been vaccinated.

Immunizations wear off. She could very well think she is safe because she got the MMR, only to find out the hard way she wasn’t.

But then again, that doesn’t really play well with your melodramatic post does it?

[elc]

Are we reading the same article? Or did you just want to hijack the thread and make it about illegal aliens?

[TLI]

Sorry, the problem actually is the illegals and the "culture" they bring with them. Here in Dallas it is very common for 2nd and 3rd generation American kids with mexican born parents and grandparents to speak English as a second language. Why? There are so many illegals here they are dragging down the American born kids in their neighborhoods to speak spanish as their first language.

Yea, there are THAT many illegals here.

By the very same princable the issue with a return of once unheard of diseases is very common here in Texas as it is all across the U.S. And it is always associated with unvaccinated illegals and their anchor babies convincing the 2nd and 3rd generation "hispanic" Americans that they don’t need the vaccinations. It is their "culture."

Links and quotes...

By default, we grant health passes to illegal aliens. Yet many illegal aliens harbor fatal diseases that American medicine fought and vanquished long ago, such as drug-resistant tuberculosis, malaria, leprosy, plague, polio, dengue, and Chagas disease.

Madeleine Pelner Cosman, MD, published in the spring, 2005 edition of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons.

http://www.jpands.org/vol10no1/cosman.pdf

America Welcomes Illegals' Contagious Diseases By Dr. Madeleine Cosman, Ph.D., ESQ

http://www.rense.com/general64/ill.htm

More...

http://www.gvnews.com/art icles/2008/03/29/news/news14.txt

The Atlanta-based Center for Disease Control published a report, easily obtained, regarding the diseases attributed to IAs (illegal aliens). Some of that report is as follows:

Tuberculosis: It had disappeared from the U.S. but has now returned in a more lethal strain killing 60 percent of those infected. One year's treatment costs more than $250,000.

Chagas Disease: Has no known cure and kills over 50,000 annually of the estimated 18 million infected. It takes nearly 20 years to manifest itself and then those infected have less than two years to live.

Leprosy: A scourge in biblical days was so rare in the U.S. that in 40 years only 900 people had been infected. In the past three years more than 7,000 new cases have been diagnosed.

Polio: Once considered eradicated in our country is now back and in growing numbers.

Cysticercosis: Caused by a rare brain worm that can be fatal and is spread primarily by unsanitary food handling practices. It was traced to IA's coming to our country.

Hepatitis A, B, and C: This disease is spreading rapidly and in 2003 just a few IAs working as kitchen laborers endangered 3,000.

[MeanWestTexan]

“Can you teach me how to walk on water too?”

No, but I can teach you that if you try to walk on water, you will fall into the water.

[kailbo]

Glad to see on your homepage, at least, that you and I agree that one person did, in fact, walk on water.

[TheMightyQuinn]

The only serious cases of flu I have ever had followed the only two flu shots I ever had.

EVERY time I've hada flu vaccination, I've hada bad flu within one week. Every time I tell that to a doctor, they tell me it's impossible the vaccination caused it.

[riverdawg]

“I had the [chicken pox] vaccine as a child.”

How old are you? Did you grow up in Japan? That vaccine wasn’t widely used in the U.S. until the mid-1990’s. Mrs riverdawg and princess riverdawg were vaccinated in 1994 because members of many military families were in the early clinical trials.

One of the consequences of increased varicella vaccination of children is increased shingles among adults. I’ve had shingles, and it isn’t pleasant. But the annual death rate among children from chicken pox in the U.S. has been reduced by about 90% since the vaccine was introduced.

I’m not convinced about the merit of all available vaccines. I don’t get a flu vaccine (and I haven’t had the flu in 23 years), and we are not yet convinced that the HPV vaccine makes sense for princess riverdawg.

[Vermont Lt]

I dont think your points are unreasonable.

But, then again, you are not talking about the mumps, measles, diphtheria, diseases. For example, your kid isnt going to get HPV for a while—it is prudent to wait a bit on that one. Lyme disease, while a pain in the joints, is not as horrible as german measles.

Being educated and cautious is, well, prudent.

Waving your hand in the air and saying that all vaccines cause autism and NOT looking ou for your children (and those in the community) is not a good idea.

[Mr Inviso]

you’re wrong, though. Having had chickenpox is not necessarily protection against having it again (shingles) as an adult. A fact that I can attest to personally.

I do understand spreading out the vaccines, though. That makes real sense.