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(vanity) Browsing US manufacturers for an economical flex-fuel E-85 truck: BUPKISS!

Posted on 07/27/2008 3:01:44 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network

Have just spent the afternoon, browsing the manufacturers websites of every major US automaker, looking for a basic flex-fuel pickup truck.

GM. Ford. Chrysler.

Found some flex-fuel trucks (mostly on the GM site), but only top of the line, with large engines.

Will US automakers drop THIS ball also?


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: dull; maroons; shortsighted
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And our automakers wonder, why they're constantly losing market share?

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Dear US Automakers:

I own an American car, which I purchased new, from an American dealer.

I now want to replace it, with an economical flex-fuel pickup.

Please wake up, and get with the program!

What does it take, to make Detroit listen??

1 posted on 07/27/2008 3:01:44 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

If you’re going to be giving up 30% of the horsepower by going to E85, you’re going to want that big engine.


2 posted on 07/27/2008 3:04:47 PM PDT by gridlock (IT'S AN OIL ECONOMY, STUPID!.......................................................(FREE LAZAMATAZ!))
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To: gridlock

Why do you want Flex-fuel capability?


3 posted on 07/27/2008 3:10:21 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: gridlock

Not at $4/gallon, I don’t!

Chevy has a 3.9 E-85 capable engine as an option in one of the minivans.

So. Put it in the Colorado!

And where, in the world, is Ford?

Why isn’t the F-150 available flex-fuel? There’s only about 50 million of them, in the corn belt.

Ready to be replaced...


4 posted on 07/27/2008 3:11:38 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (CHEVY VOLT COUNTDOWN: V minus 102 Weeks. Waiting...)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

I don’t. I run flex-fuel vehicles for work, but I can’t buy the fuel anywhere near where I work or travel. The badges are pretty, but 9 out of 10 vehicles have been run on straight gasoline since Day 1.


5 posted on 07/27/2008 3:12:29 PM PDT by gridlock (IT'S AN OIL ECONOMY, STUPID!.......................................................(FREE LAZAMATAZ!))
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

If an American manufacturer made a small truck with a 80 hp engine, I would buy it, and laugh all the way to the bank (which would take some time...) But I think I am the only one who would.


6 posted on 07/27/2008 3:14:11 PM PDT by gridlock (IT'S AN OIL ECONOMY, STUPID!.......................................................(FREE LAZAMATAZ!))
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

“Why do you want Flex-fuel capability?”

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Because I’m sick and tired, of sending ever more of my money, directly to terrorists, and communists like Hugo Chavez.

That’s why.

I’d rather make some American farmers rich, and have the option should the SHTF and gasoline becomes an even bigger problem than it already is.


7 posted on 07/27/2008 3:15:26 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (CHEVY VOLT COUNTDOWN: V minus 102 Weeks. Waiting...)
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To: gridlock

You’re not the only one.

They’d sell a MILLION of them!!

But nobody in Detroit is smart enough to do that. Every year, bigger, heavier, more expensive boats.

Is there even one brain, anywhere at the big-3?


8 posted on 07/27/2008 3:18:25 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (CHEVY VOLT COUNTDOWN: V minus 102 Weeks. Waiting...)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

So you are willing to buy a gallon and a quarter of gas from the mideast, so you can get a gallon of E85 from an American?

Because in order to produce that gallon of E85, the American has to use 1.25 gallons of mideast fuel.


9 posted on 07/27/2008 3:19:04 PM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: patton

Oh?

Why can’t tractors run on alcohol?

Think outside the box please.

We’re America. We can do anything we set our minds to.

Unfortunately, we seem to have forgotten that.


10 posted on 07/27/2008 3:20:59 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (CHEVY VOLT COUNTDOWN: V minus 102 Weeks. Waiting...)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Because the energgy density is so low, and cost per unit work so high, a farmer would have to be an idiot to do it.

So would the driver of an F-150.


11 posted on 07/27/2008 3:24:40 PM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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Speak for yourself.

I’ll buy one, if they make one.

What I won’t buy, is even one more vehicle which gives me no choice but gasoline.

I’ve purchased by last gas-only vehicle already.

If they want my business now, they’ll need to do better.

Or I’ll wait for a plug-in hybrid.

Up to them.


12 posted on 07/27/2008 3:27:12 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (CHEVY VOLT COUNTDOWN: V minus 102 Weeks. Waiting...)
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To: patton

Umm, the reason is farm tractors can’t run on ethanol is the same reason they can’t run on gasoline.


13 posted on 07/27/2008 3:31:22 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: patton

Umm, the reason is farm tractors can’t run on ethanol is the same reason they can’t run on gasoline.


14 posted on 07/27/2008 3:31:28 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: patton

You forgot to mention the horrible gas mileage they get as well. For a good comparison see http://www.edmunds.com/advice/alternativefuels/articles/120863/article.html


15 posted on 07/27/2008 3:31:28 PM PDT by Dan Zachary
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
The E-85 fuel has been $.50-$.60 cheaper than unleaded in my area.
Not difficult to make an E-85 vehicle. Basically you are just changing 0-rings and stuff in the fuel delivery system that the alchol will destroy. Chrylser (only one I'm familiar with) does not charge anything additional for an E-85 capable vehicle.
16 posted on 07/27/2008 3:35:25 PM PDT by phil1750 (Love like you've never been hurt;Dance like nobody's watching;PRAY like it's your last prayer)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

When I am cruising down the Parkway at 70 mph, I look around at all the cars. Every one of them, including my own, is using about a fifth of the available power. The only ones who come close to using even half the power they have on tap are the ones driven by jerks.

Why carry around all that engine every day if you are never, ever going to us it?


17 posted on 07/27/2008 3:35:52 PM PDT by gridlock (IT'S AN OIL ECONOMY, STUPID!.......................................................(FREE LAZAMATAZ!))
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To: Mr. Lucky

Not enough low-end torque?


18 posted on 07/27/2008 3:39:12 PM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
If you start with

http://www.e85fuel.com/

you'll find a list of all domestically available vehicles which are e85 compatible. I drive a 2007 Silverado 1500 4wd work truck which runs perfectly well on e85; maybe about a 15-20% mileage drop-off from 87 octane, but most Indiana stations price their e85 at a sufficient discount to make it pay.

19 posted on 07/27/2008 3:41:42 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: patton

Farm tractors are all diesel.


20 posted on 07/27/2008 3:42:24 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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