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To: JLS

Actually, even though I don’t agree with the original poster, this is an interesting post. Your comment about NAZIS taking over the means of production needs to be elaborated on. From whhat I have read, the NAZIS unlike the Marxists (Stalinists by then), allowed private ownership, but basically manipulated those owners of corporations to do its bidding. It seems that a person was allowed to have personal capital and own private property unlike in collectivist Russia. In regard to race/ethnicity the NAZIS saw the Aryan/Nordic race as being superior. Communism in its essence is not racist, it’s a one world mindset. I think that what ever racism there was in the Soviet Union stemmed from pre-existing Russian biases. Same with every other communist regime that went after particular ethnic groups for eradication. The subject of homosexuality is an interesting from both the NAZI perspective and the Communist perspective. It was commonly known that the upper echclons of Hitler’s posse had many homo-erotic inclinations. There is stuff written on this. Even though they sent gays to the extermination camps they had this other stuff going on in private-—think of the type of super macho gay variant. Communists also have never been fond of homosexuals. It doesn’t stem so much from a moral perspective (obviously, but possibly from a psycho-social one. Maybe it was because they saw homosexuals as too self indulgent, individualistic, not going to procreate new workers to enhance the well being of the state-—whatever, commies weren’t all hot for homosexuality. I guess there is stuff written about this too.


53 posted on 01/18/2008 12:59:00 PM PST by brooklyn dave ("I'll take Manhattan, the Bronx and Staten Island Too" LALALALA)
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To: brooklyn dave

Your comments summarize very well. Was a complex issue. I have been watching the following from net flix that might be helpful to some:]

http://www.netflix.com/WatchNowMovie/The_Nazis_A_Warning_from_History/70034545?trkid=199332


61 posted on 01/18/2008 1:14:08 PM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: brooklyn dave

I would add that Nazism was very much a cult (personality driven) and not very pure ideology. It would seem that timing and circumstance were very much a key part of the rise to power.


64 posted on 01/18/2008 1:22:08 PM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: brooklyn dave
Actually, even though I don’t agree with the original poster, this is an interesting post.

Not really, they were statists that called themselves socialist. I take them at their words and actions. Someone coming here and trying to rewrite history is not really all that interesting to me.

Your comment about NAZIS taking over the means of production needs to be elaborated on.

Again not really, but you spend time talking about racial differences and their view on social deviants. Both killed social deviants, homosexuals, handicapped etc to perfect the population OWNED by the state. [BTW, both allowed some private property probably because they were not able to completely stamp it out.] It is just a matter of what they called deviants. Both called homosexuals deviants. Both viewed religion that way too and each went after religious minorities more because they could get away with it more easily and curiously a religious minority in both Germany and the USSR were Jews.

As for you claim about racial bias, well that was a particular situation in Germany. I am not sure that other fascists states like WWII Italy or Spain under Franco had similar racial components to their national socialism. Heck throw in China and various other "communist" views of racial minorities and one might argue communist statists have been consistently more racially biased than national socialists.
93 posted on 01/18/2008 3:22:15 PM PST by JLS
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