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To: Postal Dude
There is much you do not understand about the difference between the American and European political spectrum.

Nazis were called right-wing because the European continuum at the time looked like this:

International collectivists (Communists) ------------ National collectivists (Socialists/Fascists)

The American one looks like this:

Communists ------------ Socialist/Fascist -----Democrats---------- Republicans ------Libertarians

So you see, to a European, Fascism is right wing because all you have to choose from are collectivists. The only question is are they going to be national or international.

To an American, all economic collectivism is to the left of us, with the Democrats being the closest to it.

That's my take, anyway. I should add that, as far as I can tell, the only difference between Socialism and Fascism is a dictator. You take a socialist country and put a dictator in charge and voila. Instant Fascism.

51 posted on 01/18/2008 12:57:56 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Part of having a dark side is not showing it.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
I have to take issue with your chart. It should read:

Communists ------------ Socialist/Fascist/Democrats---------- Republicans ------Libertarians :-)

57 posted on 01/18/2008 1:08:38 PM PST by Tribune7 (Dems want to rob from the poor to give to the rich)
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To: A_perfect_lady
You take a socialist country and put a dictator in charge and voila. Instant Fascism.

Chavez in Venezuela comes to mind...

62 posted on 01/18/2008 1:14:20 PM PST by John123 ("What good fortune for the governments that the people do not think" -- Adolf Hitler)
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To: A_perfect_lady; Postal Dude
RE: 51

Good summation A_perfect_lady.

And also a good explanation of why we are having a 'failure to communicate' moment with Postal Dude. If one's universe only consists of 'collectivist' societies (with the government seated as 'god') - then sure, one is going create some means of distinguishing between these different societies. In this universe I could see how one could place Nazi Germany and Socialist governments at different ends of the spectrum.
On the other hand, if we decouple ourselves from this starting point premise - and allow for the existence of societies with minimal government control (e.g., we have a God, and it ain't the government) - then from this viewpoint its easy to see how we (in America) lump Nazi Germany and the old Soviet Union into the same category (closely followed by other socialist regimes)...

The disconnect is that Postal Dude apparently can't allow for the possibility of a non-controlling government. Understandable, if that is what has been drummed into you all your life.
Sadly, we're approaching that mindset over here in America as well. We've forgotten the principles by which this country was established, and what our Founding Fathers believed.
Hopefully (and prayerfully) the Lord will bless us with revival before our candlestick blows out.

83 posted on 01/18/2008 2:09:27 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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