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India turns to Wiccan queen to save girls
DNA India ^ | 7/3/2007 | Bappa Majumdar

Posted on 07/06/2007 3:24:05 AM PDT by markomalley

KOLKATA: India has enlisted the follower of a global pagan witchcraft movement to help curb the country'' high female infanticide rate and end the neglect of the girl child, government said on Monday.

Ipsita Roy Chakraverti, a Wiccan and a social activist, has been nominated by the Centre's National Commission for Minority Educational Institutions (NCMEI) to head a panel entrusted with the responsibility to improve the status of young girls, they said.

About 10 million girls have been killed by their parents over the past 20 years, said government officials as female infanticide and foeticide. “This is a triumph for Wicca as the establishment was against Wiccans for years,” said Chakraverti.

Wicca is primarily a Western movement of nature worship based on pre-Christian traditions and is recognised as an official religion in the United States. Like many pagan religions, Wicca practises magic.

“Ipsita is the right person for the task as she has travelled widely, does a lot of social work and feels a pain for the downtrodden," said MSA Siddiqui, NCMEI chief and retired judge.

Domestic violence and sexual abuse involving young girls is reported frequently in the country and a 2006 government survey found that 45 per cent of girls were married before the legal marriageable age of 18. — Reuters


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: abortion; devilworship; gigo; imaginarycrap; infanticide; libertarians; madeupbs; mumbojumbo; wicca; witchcraft

1 posted on 07/06/2007 3:24:07 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Yes, of course, a pagan religion, some of whose supplicants practice child sacrifice, is the perfect choice to save the girl children.

The Bible said that God would send a “strong delusion” in the end times.

This must be a part of that.


2 posted on 07/06/2007 3:28:22 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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To: markomalley
...Wiccan queen...

And how does one become a "Wiccan queen" anyway? Is that like a "natural queen"? (cue CCR)
3 posted on 07/06/2007 3:30:23 AM PDT by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: wagglebee; narses

pro-life ping!


4 posted on 07/06/2007 3:59:54 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Westbrook
While I don't have any particular love for Wiccans, I have never heard of anyone associated with Wicca to advocate child sacrifice. In fact, it's contrary to the tenets of the religion.

Hyperbole like this is what gives Evangelicals a bad name.
5 posted on 07/06/2007 5:00:43 AM PDT by Lusis ("Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.")
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To: CarrotAndStick
Like, *PING*, you lovable troll, you.
6 posted on 07/06/2007 5:23:42 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Lusis

Then maybe you need to read this, which was written by a modern Wiccan, decrying the rape of children.

http://ajdrew.blogs.pagannation.com/defrost-please-read/

While the article only mentions sexual abuse and rape of children, scholars do remain divided on whether the traditions of Samhain, as practiced by ancient pagans, included child sacrifice.

It is difficult to locate a pagan religion anywhere on the Earth that did not practice child sacrifice.

While there are no Wiccans flying airplanes into buildings and openly threatening to destroy Western Civilization, I would never trust any of them with any of my children.


7 posted on 07/06/2007 5:40:28 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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To: Westbrook
So...the best you can drum up is one Wiccan blowing the whistle on other Wiccans. Bear in mind that there is no governing authority in that religion, as it's nothing more than a collection of small independent groups with a very loosly defined set of beliefs. I know there are far more occurances of the very same thing within Christian churches, good examples being The Family and the Roman Catholics.

Modern Wicca is only about 50 years old, and is not the same thing as ancient paganism, so comparing modern Samhain rituals to the ancient ones is a far stretch. You might as well be comparing modern Christianity to ancient Mithraism.

I'm not saying Wicca doesn't have it's kooks (probably about the same amount that exists in evangelical Christianity), but misrepresenting their beliefs does you no profit, and personally, I think damages the integrity of this site.
8 posted on 07/06/2007 7:09:46 AM PDT by Lusis ("Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.")
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To: Lusis

And besides that, Harry Potter is the DEVIL!


9 posted on 07/06/2007 7:11:49 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("Monet should have been smothered as a child." Pablo Picasso)
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To: Lusis

As far as the average person is concerned, modern wiccan is ancient paganism. And ancient pagans did sacrifice children to idols. See Molech in the Bible.

But if what you say is true that wiccan is nothing more than a very loosely defined set of beliefs of various small independent groups with no central governing authority, or agreed upon set of beliefs, then your opinion on what wiccans believe and what they don’t believe, has no validity. Anyone can say anything about wiccans because there is no one standard. Therefore their beliefs can’t be misrepresented because there is on one definition. It is you who have no creditability on this site.

Saying a group has standards when they don’t have standards is silly.


10 posted on 07/06/2007 7:31:58 AM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publici scholae)
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To: TruthConquers
1. The average person doesn't study religion. Molech may have sacrificed but that doesn't mean it's common practice for Wiccans or modern pagans for that matter.

2. Modern Wicca is nothing more than "nature worship in a can." They use names and symbology of ancient pagans, but that's as far as it goes. There is alot of eastern philosophy such as Taoism and Bhuddism added in. The major characteristic of Wicca is that it is more structured than most neo-paganism is, but that's not saying much since most of the latter is user-defined.

3. You can't say that anything can be said about Wicca, since there is still core tenets in the religion, and none of them have to so with any sort of sacrifice or child molestation (Note there is no central authority in the eastern faiths, but as with Wicca, there is still core beliefs).
11 posted on 07/06/2007 8:10:46 AM PDT by Lusis ("Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.")
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To: Lusis
I'm not saying Wicca doesn't have it's kooks (probably about the same amount that exists in evangelical Christianity), but misrepresenting their beliefs does you no profit, and personally, I think damages the integrity of this site.

Does the fact that about half of DUmmie Land's denizens are "wiccans" cause you to ponder?

12 posted on 07/06/2007 9:06:39 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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To: Westbrook

“It is difficult to locate a pagan religion anywhere on the Earth that did not practice child sacrifice.”

Human sacrifice has been part of almost all ancient religions, including non-pagan ones. Christianity is centered around sacrifice and shedding of the Savior’s blood. The Cross itself symbolises (human) sacrifice. God’s own son, sent as human, to be sacrificed for man’s sins.

Hebrews/Israelites take pride in the attempted sacrifice of Issac by his Father Abraham... the story gets twisted in Koran with Ishmael being the subject, but Islam takes pride in that too and names Ishmael as the father of the Muslim Nation.

So, human sacrifice isn’t just among pagan/non-Abrahamic religions. In fact, pacifist religions like Jainism and Buddhism are totally against any violence and that includes prohibiting any kind of physical sacrifice.


13 posted on 07/06/2007 10:39:38 PM PDT by sagar
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To: sagar

Abraham did NOT sacrifice Isaac.

He just showed that he was willing to do so.

It also showed that Isaac was willing to be the sacrifice, since he was certainly old enough and strong enough at the time to defend himself from his aged father.

Furthermore, Abraham believed in the resurrection, that God would resurrect Isaac, since Isaac was the “child of promise”. God had promised that Isaac would have innumerable descendents.

This would not be possible if Isaac were permanently dead.

However, rather than allow the human sacrifice and resurrection to proceed at that time, God interrupted Abraham before he could complete the sacrifice. It was a demonstration to us, a metaphor, that God’s only begotten Son would give Himself as the only sacrifice sufficient and necessary to absolve mankind from Sin.

Jesus made it clear that nobody would take His life from Him, but that He would give it up willingly.

Because of Abraham and Isaac’s obedience, God promised that the Messiah would be a descendent of Abraham and Isaac.

The shedding of blood as atonement for sin began in the Garden of Eden, when God fashioned coats out of an animal’s skin to cover the nakedness of Adam and Eve.

Until Christ came and GAVE HIMSELF as a WILLING SACRIFICE, animal sacrifices were used to typify, or as a metaphor for, the coming sacrifice of God Himself, manifest in the flesh.

Everywhere in the Bible, Human sacrifice is explicitly forbidden, proscribed and CONDEMNED!

The one and only exception is Christ allowing Himself to be a WILLING sacrifice, the one and only human sacrifice, for the sins of all of Mankind for all Time.

In fact, this was more than a human sacrifice, it was a sacrifice of God Himself, offered by God Himself manifest in the flesh, unto God Himself.

Jesus Christ not only had the power to offer Himself as a sacrifice, He had the power to resurrect Himself to assert His conquest over Sin, Death, and Hell itself.

He is the ONLY sacrifice capable of this.

The first time Jesus came to this earth, it was to pay a debt. The debt of sin.

The next time He comes, it will be to collect.

The mortgage to the deed of earth, held by Satan since the Fall of Man in Eden, has been paid in full.

The bad tenent has been given his eviction notice.

And, just like any bad tenent I’ve ever known, Satan is of a mind to trash the place before the eviction takes place.


14 posted on 07/07/2007 4:16:09 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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To: Westbrook

You are there defending human sacrifice by interpreting it as something noble and divine. How ironic.


15 posted on 07/07/2007 2:11:50 PM PDT by sagar
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To: sagar

> You are there defending human sacrifice by interpreting
> it as something noble and divine. How ironic

Please try to read for comprehension.

Perhaps that’s hard to do through your biases.

Perhaps it’s much more fun to pretend you don’t understand and mischaracterize the statements of others while hiding behind your feigned ignorance.

I will repeat it for you.

Everywhere in the Bible, Human sacrifice is explicitly forbidden, proscribed and CONDEMNED!

The one and only exception is Christ allowing Himself to be a WILLING sacrifice, the one and only human sacrifice, for the sins of all of Mankind for all Time.

In fact, this was more than a human sacrifice, it was a sacrifice of God Himself, offered by God Himself manifest in the flesh, unto God Himself.

Jesus Christ not only had the power to offer Himself as a sacrifice, He had the power to resurrect Himself to assert His conquest over Sin, Death, and Hell itself.

He is the ONLY sacrifice capable of this.

And here’s something I selected for you from the Apostle Paul. See if you can figure it out. Maybe it will be all gobbledygook to you, but maybe it won’t.

1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

1 Corinthians 1:26-29
For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

That no flesh should glory in his presence.


16 posted on 07/07/2007 3:47:05 PM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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To: Westbrook

Oh, I know what you are saying. Don’t get me wrong, I can read. But it is you who is refusing to acknowledge the act of human sacrifice in the Bible(Christianity).

If not so, why is the Cross the central icon of Christianity? Isn’t that to show the SACRIFICE? The act itself?

You said:
“In fact, this was more than a human sacrifice, it was a sacrifice of God Himself, offered by God Himself manifest in the flesh, unto God Himself.”

It is “more” than a human sacrifice. I agree. But it is still physical, bloody and cruel, HUMAN SACRIFICE that is the central theme of Christianity.

Besides, we if dissect pagan human sacrifices and try to interpret/explain them like you are doing with crucifiction, they probably were thinking the sacrificed human was pure, too, and his/her sacrifice would server God(s) or their purpose.

I’m not talking about the intention or deeper meaning, but the act itself.


17 posted on 07/08/2007 2:40:21 AM PDT by sagar
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To: sagar

> who is refusing to acknowledge the act of human sacrifice > in the Bible(Christianity).

> HUMAN SACRIFICE that is the central theme of Christianity.

No it is not.

Ritual human sacrifice is NOT a Christian practice.

However, the act of sacrificing ONESELF for the benefit of others, is something played out every single day, by Christians and non-Christians alike. Firemen, police, soldiers, citizen-heroes, ALL of these offer themselves as a SACRIFICE for the benefit of all.

Jesus said that there is no greater love than to lay down your life so that others may live.

However, it is NOTHING LIKE the ritual human sacrifice practiced by pagan cults.

To compare the selfless sacrifice of those who offer themselves for the good of all to the ritual human sacrifice practiced by ancient pagans to appease some demonic superstition is just over the top.


18 posted on 07/08/2007 6:32:32 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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To: Lusis
???? I know there are far more occurances of the very same thing within Christian churches, good examples being The Family and the Roman Catholics

What do you mean? That Catholics sacrifice(d) children?
19 posted on 07/11/2007 3:06:08 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: Cronos

Don’t play stupid, the context is child abuse.


20 posted on 07/11/2007 4:57:08 AM PDT by Lusis ("Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.")
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