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Live Ryder Cup Thread
9-22-06

Posted on 09/22/2006 1:02:11 AM PDT by kingattax

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To: Wyatt's Torch

DiMarco leaves the approach to the 18th way out to the right. Mickelson has a 35 yard bunker shot from wet sand with water behind......Fugly. Have to have this full point.


21 posted on 09/22/2006 10:35:03 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

DiMarco mised the 7 footer to win the hole....Monty makes a 6 footer to halve. 5-3 final. Huge blown hole.....


22 posted on 09/22/2006 10:41:22 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

the europeans never make the mistakes the americans always seem to make at crucial times. team usa is gonna have to really step up now.


23 posted on 09/22/2006 10:50:30 AM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: Wyatt's Torch
5-3 final. Huge blown hole.....

If the US is no more than 2 down going into the singles, they've got a good chance. Something about team sports that they don't seem to do well in.

24 posted on 09/22/2006 11:05:47 AM PDT by evad (sarcasm may be introduced at any moment of any post)
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Yeah, I agree. They've won from 10-6 behind before.

I think Europe's lead going into the final day will be about 9.5 - 6.5 and Europe will cling on to win the cup 14.5 - 13.5.

25 posted on 09/22/2006 11:35:37 AM PDT by jjbrouwer
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To: evad

How did the U.S. do in singles in 2004?


26 posted on 09/22/2006 11:55:32 AM PDT by Rumierules
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To: jjbrouwer

It's true, but in 1999 when Europe lost from 10-6 we were essentially were trying to win with 9 players (3 players were left out of the first two days entirely, hardly giving them confidence or a chance and effectively conceding those three singles games).

This European team is stronger in depth, they have all played on the first day and all the rookies acquited themselves well. It used to be accepted that Europe needed a lead going into the singles, but that's no longer true, and I definately couldn't see them blowing a 4 point lead.


27 posted on 09/22/2006 11:56:23 AM PDT by Canard
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"Garcia is now 7-0 in four-ball.........too bad he can't win a tournament on his own...;-)"

And 11-2-1 in fourballs and foursomes combined. He's so awesome in the pairs format. I'm hoping Woosnam pairs him with Westwood tomorrow in the fourballs, that combination was a blast last time.

European combinations for the morning will be interesting. It would be a brave decision considering the location, but I think Harrington needs to be left out. He just seemed to lack any spark today.


28 posted on 09/22/2006 12:12:45 PM PDT by Canard
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Yeah, some of the younger guys like Casey, Donald and Howell are genuine world class golfers now so can beat the top Americans one on one.


29 posted on 09/22/2006 1:06:31 PM PDT by jjbrouwer
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To: Rumierules
How did the U.S. do in singles in 2004?

heh.. there's always someone who wants to let facts get in the way of a good statement...
nevertheless...
04 was an aberration. Normally the US beats their opponents in singles so I'm going with the law of averages.

30 posted on 09/22/2006 1:59:08 PM PDT by evad (sarcasm may be introduced at any moment of any post)
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..Europe will cling on to win the cup 14.5 - 13.5.

Yes...and actually I think Europe would retain the cup with a 14-14 tie.

31 posted on 09/22/2006 2:01:24 PM PDT by evad (sarcasm may be introduced at any moment of any post)
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To: evad

It would be a moderate victory if the U.S. could go into singles down just two points.


32 posted on 09/22/2006 2:12:07 PM PDT by Rumierules
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To: evad

Yes, they will. But it's always more satisfying to win it on points rather than just retain it by drawing. I seem to remember Europe did that in 1990 and it wasn't as satisfying.


33 posted on 09/22/2006 9:24:24 PM PDT by jjbrouwer
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To: evad

" 04 was an aberration. Normally the US beats their opponents in singles so I'm going with the law of averages."

That law of averages though is based on times when the US had more strength in depth in the team than the Europeans.

The way yesterday panned out demonstrates that, if anything, the reverse is true this year. US team has 4 rookies against 2 in the European team. The European rookies, Stenson and Karlson have both acquited themselves well and are playing their second matches this morning. JJ Henry (who impresses me) and Johnson will have played twice for the US, but Wetterick played once and probably won't be seen today and Vaughen Taylor hasn't played in the first three sessions.

On the US side 5 players will have played all three of the first three sessions compared to 3 on the European side.

All of this bodes well for the singles.


34 posted on 09/23/2006 12:26:06 AM PDT by Canard
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That law of averages though is based on times when the US had more strength in depth in the team than the Europeans

True, and that applies for all events, not just singles. The US use to also win the best ball and alternate shot events when their talent overpowered the field.

I'm not looking for a "Ben Crenshaw" year in the singles but I still say they've got a good shot at winning if they can go into the singles no more than 2 down....which bye the way, ain't gonna be no easy chore.

35 posted on 09/23/2006 5:13:46 AM PDT by evad (sarcasm may be introduced at any moment of any post)
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Another dissapointing set of matches for the U.S. Captain Tom needed to spilt Tiger and Furyk up INSTEAD of playing them together. They lose again this A.M. and are now 1-2.
I'm happy as a clam that Darren Clarke is playing so well.


36 posted on 09/23/2006 6:00:53 AM PDT by cleveland gop (Bill Clinton caused 9/11. Conservatives know it, liberals cry foul!!!)
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yup..I'm a Tiger fan but it seems he's distracted.
I know you can sit the #1 guy down so pairing him with someone else might be the answer.

Funny thing is, until he paired with Tiger, Furyk "was" invincible in Ryder Cup matches.

37 posted on 09/23/2006 6:41:13 AM PDT by evad (sarcasm may be introduced at any moment of any post)
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Should have said..
I know you CAN'T sit the #1 guy down...
38 posted on 09/23/2006 6:47:37 AM PDT by evad (sarcasm may be introduced at any moment of any post)
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It's usually a mistake pairing your best two players together. Surely, it's better to pair them with rookies who they can share the benefit of their wisdom. I bet Furyk would rather have been paired with a guy like Zack Johnson.


39 posted on 09/23/2006 7:09:28 AM PDT by jjbrouwer
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Surely, it's better to pair them with rookies who they can share the benefit of their wisdom. I bet Furyk would rather have been paired with a guy like Zack Johnson.

Could be...I dunno.

What I do know is it's very important to get the right "chemistry" in these team events. Why the Europeans are so much better at that is a mystery to me.

I think Tiger is a good "team player" but I don't think he plays well in "team events" like 4-ball. I'm sure Lehman thought they had stumbled across a good mix with Tiger/Furyk in the Presidents Cup but it looks like Tiger continues his abysmal performance and has drug Furyk down with him.

40 posted on 09/23/2006 7:27:43 AM PDT by evad (sarcasm may be introduced at any moment of any post)
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