Posted on 10/08/2005 9:52:18 AM PDT by Allen H
Since I’m sure there are still many conservatives out there who are still upset and whining about Bush not nominating who they wanted, I’m wondering. Do you wish Bush had nominated who you wanted, even if it meant them not being confirmed and Bush being forced to pick a milk toast? I don’t think anyone can argue about the fact that the Republican majority in the Senate haven’t exactly acted with a spine or any kind of united strong conservative voice the four years they’ve been a majority. And it seems the larger their majority gets, the more its spine gets watered down.
This is a reality lesson in life. There are two ways to stand strong to your convictions and beliefs and not waiver. You can go about your life, putting your beliefs into practice, never bending, never breaking, never compromising, and whenever anyone asks what you believe, you tell them, politely, civilly, like how Miers has done it. OR, you can do it another way. You can be all those same things above, and you can also be very vocal, very "in your face", very confrontational, outspoken, and be very well known as to what you believe and stand for, so that if you come up for a position like Supreme Court Justice, it’s known immediately which side of the court you will always come down on. The Scalia / Thomas side, or the Ginsburg / Stevens side. The latter is the kind of person that Michael Luddig, Pricilla Owens, Edith Jones, or David Pryor, who I would sure support. Frankly that’s the kind of person I am, and I was hoping they'd of gotten this nomination. I’m not quite "in your face" with liberals unless confronted, but I also will not sit like a wall flower while people say stupid liberal things in the face of reality. I wouldn’t expect to be nominated for the SCOTUS either. Being that way is not bad in any way, but it is a problem. It’s guaranteeing a nasty, long, drawn out, ugly fight that would not even guarantee ALL the Republicans standing with the President. If Bush thought that the Republican majority in the Senate actually had a spine and would stand up to a fight, I think he would have likely put up someone like Juddig or Jones. I think this pick is an indictment on the complete and total lack of conservative will in the Senate majority. Heck, this woman he did pick stands as a solid conservative nominee with all those who have endorsed her, and not all Republicans are backing her. The bottom line is, Harriet Miers WILL be confirmed, and she much more likely than not, will prove to be a conservative, indications show she will be much like Scalia and Thomas. And if you voted for President Bush both times, like I did, or just one time, then you have to trust that he will keep his promise on Judges, like he has so faithfully kept it to this point. There hasn’t been one single Judge on the district, appellate or federal court level that Bush has nominated that hasn’t been a strong unbending conservative. And this is one fact I STILL can’t get around that frustrates me with those opposing Miers. Miers was pivotal in choosing ALL the Judges that Bush has nominated to all the courts the past five years, all of which have proven to be good solid conservatives that all the conservative voters have liked so much. Yet somehow the person who found, supported, and brought all those good conservative judges to the President, somehow isn’t good enough to be a judge herself when she’s accomplished all the things she’s done in her life? That is simply the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Especially after it’s been proven she said now she was worried that perhaps John Roberts might not be conservative enough. And some conservatives are still not supporting her? ARE YOU FRIKKEN KIDDING ME??? THAT is just simply elitism and nothing else.
I was worried initially, because I desperately wanted an Owens, or Luiddig, or someone just like them, someone that was nose to the wind, finger pointing and shaking to the left, well known vocal hard conservative, BUT, if the person put up instead of them is just like that, with the same conservative ideological beliefs, just isn’t a well known confrontational person who will unite all liberals and democrats and milk-toast weak RHINO Republicans against them, then I will choose the Miers over the Owens or Luddig EVERY TIME, because frankly I have NO FAITH in the Republican Senate majority, and while I am more like the judicial Luddig’s and Jones’s, I’ve still seen nothing that yet shows she’s any less conservative than they are. When she gave money to algore, he was pro-life and hadn’t taken the pink liberal without reason pill yet, and since then she has been nothing but a conservative loyalist on all levels, professionally, personally, and religiously. She voted for Reagan in ‘84, she voted for the first Bush in ‘88. Once she became a registered Republican she stayed Republican and voted and worked and donated that way even when clinton was President, even in ‘91 and ’92 when the democrats controlled both Houses of Congress. Not one person who really knows her has come out against her nomination. Frum is the only one I’ve heard of who has worked with her and doesn’t support her, and that was years ago and it’s not as though Frum doesn’t have his own agenda. None of Bush’s judges has disappointed. They’ve all been proven to be very conservative constructionist judges, and there is no reason to believe Miers will be any different. The arguments is stale and smacks of elitism at this point. I prefer someone who hasn’t been indoctrinated by the snobbery of Yale and Harvard liberalism, and has lived most all of her life in very conservative Texas. Even when Texas was majority Democrat, it was conservative and had nothing in common with the radical New England and left coast liberal bases of operation. Instead of being a judge she’s been actually arguing law from the conservative perspective, not sitting on high on a bench disconnected from reality. What is so wrong with that? She will be confirmed, and more and more, I believe she will prove herself to be a dedicated defender of the Constitution and what it REALLY says, not what stevens and souter and ginsburg wish or think it says. Her votes I believe will consistently fall right with Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas and John Roberts, and when that time comes, I hope all here who eviscerated her just because she’s not some elitist insider snob, or a speak first think second hothead that would inflame all democrats and RINOs in the Senate, will remember just how vacuous the opposition to her really was, and just how wrong it has proven to be. Given the past 20 years of her life, I can’t see any rational way she will betray all she has proven to stand for the past two decades. And if you voted for and supported W. Bush last year and in 2000, then for Pete’s sake, show just a little faith and trust in the guy and believe that he would have gotten to know this woman the past 10 years he’s had a close relationship with her. Have a little faith. With faith as small as a mustard seed, a mountain can be moved. I choose to have faith and pray that Harriet Miers will be the conservative strict-constructionist Justice that this nation desperately needs right now, and pray that she will have the strength and wisdom to adjudicate in that way, and continue to display and enforce the beliefs and convictions on the bench, that she has so strongly lived in her life.
You promised you'd seek therapy for that kind of behavior.
Can't happen.
Besides, a good cannibal like me never passes up a chance for a nice helping of long pig.
Whatever. I made clear I was sick of the whining I heard all week at the start of this, and I also made it clear it was media whining about it I was sick of. Some people like laz took is personaly and went after me for it. Sobeit. I don't walk from fights and when someone gets in my face I don't walk away. I was just expecting better than this at a conservative blog. I was expecting that there could be difference in opinions with respect and polite responses. laz did not demonstrate this in his responses and it was NOT because of what I said to him. He started that way before I said word one to him. But it doesn't matter. I still think it's silly to gripe about things before they even happen, but to each his own. 8)
First, you AGAIN miss my point. I didn't say SHE was timid, I said the nomination was, because the nomination is "steath" in nature, instead of "in your face conservative" in nature.
I'll give you "well spoken", but your grade on "responsive" is not so hot.
The play out of her tenacity is mostly speculative. Is she tenaciously attached to the commerce clause as justification for federal intervention? How compa$$ionate is her con$ervati$m with other people's money?
Again, even if her jurisprudence jives with mine, I have valid concerns.
And the whole use of the word "crony" makes me cringe ...
Me too. But it's in the nature of the nomination. She vetted GWB in 1994, looking for dirt as he ran for governor of Texas. He's rewarded her since. The charge is not incredible, and he will eventaully need to address it. An unnecessary distraction, at best. Actual cronysism at worst.
the fact that she is the one who brought all those great conservative Judges to Bush to nominate. That cannot be overstated.
Jurists who espouse constitutional princile exist. The fact that she is a conduit of communication makes her nothing but a conduit of communication.
Given the evidence, I think Miers is a moderate, at best.
Look, I'm a cannibal on doctors orders. I must eat human flesh, or I'll become diabetic.
Don't oppress me, fascist!
I lied.
You say that, and somehow still insist that you're a mature ideological conservative? If you get this upset about something ambiguous that isn't even proven out yet, I'd hate to see how you'd be if there was something substantive you disagreed with other conservatives about. I mean, that comment you made was so over the top stupid and served no purpose. It didn't impress anyone. Smart threatening text comments really just don't carry much in the way of fear. It's not hard to talk big on a computer. Whatever. This is beyond 3rd gradeish. You feel how you do and have a right now, and I never said otherwise. Stupid Allen for thinking I could come on here and expect ALL other conservatives could be adult and respectful if they disagree. You definitely proved me wrong on that at least. Have a good weekend.
If you get this upset about something ambiguous that isn't even proven out yet, I'd hate to see how you'd be if there was something substantive you disagreed with other conservatives about.
When it gets me that upset, I make it put the lotion on it's skin, or it gets the hose again.
Oh, no, it's not just a threat. I intend to cook you into a chili and serve you to Scott Tenorman.
He should have returned the money I paid for those pubes.
That's where I think Miers will be a conservative since she is the one who vetted all the great conservatives that Bush nominated that conservatives think are so great and wish had gotten the nomination. How, if she was good enough to pick those conservatives, and she thought Roberts wasn't conservative enough, is she somehow not good enough herself to be a Justice? That is illogical.
I'd agree she's just a "conduit" like you said, if it wasn't for the fact that her personal life and how she's spent her time off the job are filthy with things that smack of someone very conservatively, both socially and religiously. There's nothing in her personal life that is not consistent with all the conservative social and religious values that the conservative majority of the country believes in also. By all appearances, she would have to betray her own person to be a justice like o'conner or souter. And she'd have to have a brain transplant to be like ginsburg or stevens. There just isn't any evidence that points to her being a less than conservative constructionist Justice, and since Bush has put up ONLY conservative Judges, there is NO example to give that would indicate that Miers is not in that same mold. Especially since he knows her and what she thinks about things and how she believes, unlike Reagan and Bush 41 who did not know kennedy, or o'conner, or souter. Those are all the things I can't get around in all this that make me believe she is a real conservative. Plus all the well known strong conservative and Christian people who have known her personally for many years who put their reputations on the line by backing her and defending her as a strong conservative. I mean, Jay Sekulow, Nathan Hecht, Rev. Falwell, John Cornyn, on and on and on. Those are not stupid people that are easily fooled. All the people defending her actually know her. All the people upset with her nomination, don't know her and few have even ever met her before this. When all the democrats start nailing her to the wall in committee and the moveon.org and people for the Amrican way ads continue to flood the airwaves, will it still be possible to believe she's not a real conservative? now and narwal do not oppose closet libs or milk-toast Republicans like they are opposing Miers.
At least now I know it's not worth my time responding to you in future threads. If I'd of known three hours ago what I know now, I could be enjoying my second movie and popcorn. Oh well. Stupid me for thinking I was posting to someone rational that wasn't off any kind of medication. Cya.
Neither did I. And I'd hoped the President would have forced the issue instead of capitulating. Oh well.
The rest of your post is about the nominee, and as I have said many times, my issue is more with the use of stealth nomination than about the character of the nominee.
Lets see, you're griping(posting) about me griping(posting) about somthing else on Free Republic.. Where exactly is it that you THINK you are elephant breath.?... Meet the Press?...
Reasonalble people can disagree and still remain friends.
Reasonalble people can disagree and still remain friends.
LoL... Must be a Viking Kitty.. in training.. hopefully..
Us big ol' feral cats think its cute.. when they puff up, turn sideways, hiss and bat their widdle paws at ya..
He will learn quickly herding freepers is like herding cats..
And not only that. I'm a lingerie-wearing one-eyed lumberjack, an elitist anti-Christian Pope-in-training, an immature whiner who knows cheese much better than you, and a rocket surgeon.
Learn it. Live it. Love it.
You do know that this means I will be shadowing you whereever you go on this forum.
I cannot resist busting the chops of the humorless and the tersely-hemmhoroidal.
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