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Late with a payment? No wonder car won't start
St Petersburg Times ^ | July 23, 2005 | JEAN HELLER

Posted on 07/24/2005 12:17:06 PM PDT by kingattax

A new device reminds drivers when a car payment is due. And if they don't pay up, they're not going anywhere.---

ST. PETERSBURG - One of life's cruel quirks got Amber Jumbelick into trouble.

When the 23-year-old waitress had her first child, she began paying expenses by credit card. Then she lost her job and her ability to pay bills. Her credit tanked.

"I needed a car, but my credit was so bad nobody would give me a loan," Jumbelick said. "I'm a waitress and a single mom with a baby boy. I don't have extra money to put away."

Chuck Lutes hears that sort of story a lot.

Lutes, owner of Affordable Auto Sales on 66th Street N in St. Petersburg, thinks he has found a solution. It's a device he installs on every car he sells that alerts drivers when they have a payment due. Day by delinquent day, the alert gets increasingly insistent. On the fifth day, the car won't start.

Lutes says the device, called On Time/Payment Protection Systems, has dramatically increased customers' on-time payments. Jumbelick says the need to pay up and pay on time has improved her credit score after less than a year.

"With this system, I don't have to go out chasing my money," Lutes said. "And I want the money, not the car."

Lutes has been using On Time since October. According to his computer data files, only 65 percent of his customers were making payments on time before October. Now, about 95 percent of his accounts are current.

Mike Simon, president and chief executive officer of Payment Protection Systems in Temecula, Calif., said the idea for the On Time device came from a plea from a car dealer in 1996.

"We make microchips for auto-related things, like security, and one day a dealer said he wished we could make a chip that would make people pay on time," Simon said. "That sounded like a reasonable request. The technology was out there."

Three years later, On Time was born. Simon said 1,500 dealers across the country use the little devices, even some traditional new-car dealers. Both Simon and Lutes think Affordable Auto Sales is the only dealership using On Time in the Tampa Bay area.

The little black box with a four-button keypad is mounted under the dash and connected to the car's electrical harness. Once the dealer and the customer have agreed on a payment schedule - and Lutes insists on weekly payments - the schedule is loaded into a Windows-based computer program in the dealer's office.

As long as payments are made on time, the light on the module shows green. On the first day a payment is delinquent, the light blinks red for 24 hours. On day two it flashes in pulses of two. On day three, there are three pulses in quick succession. On day four it beeps all day long. On day five, the car stops working.

As soon as a payment is made, the customer is given a code to punch into the module that returns it to green until the next payment comes due. Once the car is paid for, the module is removed and used on another vehicle. They have seven-year life spans.

The device will not shut a car down while it's in operation. If the payment is five days late, it simply won't start again.

"It definitely works," Jumbelick said. "I got in the car (a 1993 Saturn) once, and the light was red, and I thought, "Uh-oh, I'd better go make a payment.' "

Lutes said he doesn't even run credit checks on customers any more. He checks with landlords and utility companies - a de-emphasis on credit that is spreading to even traditional car dealers, according to Simon.

"Bad things happen to good people," he said. "Dealers, traditional and otherwise, are beginning to ask where you live and how long you've lived there, do you have a job, and that's it. Traditional dealers are losing 33 percent of potential customers to credit issues when that level of loss probably isn't necessary."

Nationwide, Simon said, 24 percent of a typical used-car dealer's accounts are delinquent. For those using the On Time system, delinquencies fall to 5 percent. Repossessions drop from 27 percent to 5 percent, he said.

Lutes said his repo rate hasn't changed much, "but it's the on-time payment record that's more important to me."

There are other systems available that use global positioning systems to help find a car on which payments are delinquent, and On Time has a GPS option that Lutes didn't take.

"None of the other systems had the reminder component to help a customer avoid a late payment," he said. "I like the fact that this one helps create good payment habits."

Lutes laughed.

"I have a name for the system," he said. "I call it "My Co-Signer."'

A little black box with a four-button keypad is mounted under the dash and connected to the car's electrical harness


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: carpayment; delinquent

1 posted on 07/24/2005 12:17:07 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax
"Computers are our friends"

                    Joe "the bill collector" Knuckles

                    July 2005

2 posted on 07/24/2005 12:22:02 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: muawiyah

Next you will get a "chip" put in when you go to the hospital for defibrulattor/transplant/prostetic device. Guess what happens when you?or insurance doesn't cover the bill?


3 posted on 07/24/2005 12:31:03 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rearview mirror.)
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To: kingattax
"It definitely works," Jumbelick said. "I got in the car (a 1993 Saturn) once, and the light was red, and I thought, "Uh-oh, I'd better go make a payment.' "

Good grief.

So what devices does this girl need to be reminded to pay her rent and utility bills.

Will people start needing a small component to wear around their neck that flashes little red lights and makes beeping sounds, to be reminded to change their underware every day too.

4 posted on 07/24/2005 12:36:07 PM PDT by MotleyGirl70
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To: BipolarBob
I can see that ~ but, of course, you'd been dead anyway, eh?

Leastwise you get a few months "free service".

5 posted on 07/24/2005 12:37:03 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: MotleyGirl70
A young man of our acquaintance has a really serious learning disability. He can learn, but it takes a long time and constant repetition.

Some of his playmates, including our kids, got him a typing program, and that taught him how to use his keyboard. My eldest and a friend of his "rewrote" an early version of Windows which helped the boy load his videogames, and typing tutor. They called it "fuzzy windows".

He was fed a constant diet of computer based subject matter teaching programs. The computer ran the stuff over and over until he passed.

Few years back the young man got a high school diploma and a job employed using a computer. It's not high tech stuff, but the ability of the computer to repeat, and repeat, and repeat, and repeat, to the point of human exhaustion, cracked the code of his mind and stuffed useful information into it so he was employable.

6 posted on 07/24/2005 12:41:13 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: MotleyGirl70
underware=underwear
7 posted on 07/24/2005 1:40:54 PM PDT by MotleyGirl70
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To: MotleyGirl70
underware

As opposed to say, hardware, or software ?

8 posted on 07/24/2005 1:51:30 PM PDT by dfwddr (Spelling by Heineken)
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To: kingattax; TheBigB; pissant; presidio9; Tijeras_Slim; Owl_Eagle
Amber Jumbelick

I'd like to meet her, just based on the name alone.

9 posted on 07/24/2005 2:06:29 PM PDT by martin_fierro (¡MÁS TIMBALES!)
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To: martin_fierro

Potential BOnd Girl from the name...


10 posted on 07/24/2005 2:07:36 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Now that taglines are cool, I refuse to have one.)
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To: dfwddr

LOL! Exactly.


11 posted on 07/24/2005 2:18:53 PM PDT by MotleyGirl70
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To: kingattax

I have one question since he was stated that she is a single mom.

WHERE'S THE DADDY ????


12 posted on 07/24/2005 4:01:26 PM PDT by PetroniDE (We Don't Live in Texas Anymore --- State Name is Now TAXES !!)
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To: MotleyGirl70; Xenalyte; cjshapi
Will people start needing a small component to wear around their neck that flashes little red lights and makes beeping sounds, to be reminded to change their underware every day too.

Hold on for a tick.

You have to change your underwear?

Don't you just let them rinse clean during the monthly shower?

13 posted on 07/24/2005 4:05:56 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is merely Nazism without the snappy fashion sense.)
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To: Lazamataz

Monthly?

Whadaya, some kind of clean freak?


14 posted on 07/24/2005 4:31:53 PM PDT by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: kingattax
Lutes, owner of Affordable Auto Sales on 66th Street N in St. Petersburg, thinks he has found a solution. It's a device he installs on every car he sells that alerts drivers when they have a payment due. Day by delinquent day, the alert gets increasingly insistent. On the fifth day, the car won't start.

I wonder if I have one of those installed by my dealer?

I guess I will never know.

15 posted on 07/24/2005 4:36:51 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: MotleyGirl70
"...to be reminded to change their underware every day too."

Whats this "everyday" thing all about? Is this some new rule I didn't get the memo on?

16 posted on 07/25/2005 12:18:49 AM PDT by Khurkris (Ain't life funny?)
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To: MotleyGirl70

Underwear? WHat underwear?


17 posted on 07/25/2005 12:28:22 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: MotleyGirl70

She could have used a device to remind her to use "protection".


18 posted on 07/25/2005 11:24:47 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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