Posted on 06/16/2005 7:26:20 PM PDT by faithincowboys
From what I understand, the Pentagon is making every effort to fight the order, but until they win, they must take action in support of the Judge's order.
From what I understand, the Pentagon is making every effort to fight the order, but until they win, they must take action in support of the Judge's order.
It's not pessimism. It's what I envision as the truth.
If you cannot see what's coming, I'm sorry.
If you cannot see that the country has changed, and changed for the worst, since the 1965 Immigration and Naturalization Act, I'm sorry, but the writing is all over the American wall.
Why is recuitment down? Seems to me people have seen the military prosecute soldiers for doing their jobs. They've seen an apathetic and largely ungrateful nation, they've seen their heroics smothered by the media in favor of death counts and Abu Ghraib. You can't see it, but it's there, brother.
"If Drudge is right that the Pentagon is planning to dump more abuse photos from Abu Ghraib, there is no use --we should just surrender."
A Federal Court is forcing the pentagon to turn these photos over to the ACLU. I am not clear why the pentagon is not appealing this, but that is where we are.
"If I had a loved one in harm's way, I'd tell them to desert."
Aren't you going a little overboard here? I can see suggesting they don't enlist if you feel this way, but desert?
"We can't win a war this way. Our media and governmanetal elites simply won't let us win this war."
I actually agree. This is no way to win a war. Our media and government are what they are. Americans deserve the government they have. At this moment we are not a nation which takes the war on terror, and all that involves, seriously. Bush miscalculated what taking and holding Iraq would involve, and he also badly overestimated the staying power of the American people.
"Bush is too weak and the Republicans in Congress are intimidated by the big Beltway Media. The grunt and the Average patriotic American doesn't have anybody fighting for them."
I largely agree here as well. Bush and the GOP simply do not defend our policies and take the fight to the Democrats. While our troops are waging war in Iraq, Bush and the Republican party should be doing the same against our enemies at home.
"There is no mass movement to defend the honor of the American military"
You are correct, if anything the left has more energy at the moment. I believe the public would side with Bush and the Republicans, but our side seems to have no stomach for the fight - or, perhaps no understanding that they'd have to.
"....and there is no internal movement within the Pentagon or this Administration to say 'Enough, we ain't giving the Rats in the media anymore sh*t to weaken us and boost the our enemies.' We got a post-modern, post-nam Military brass-- not a pair of balls on any of them. There simply is no push back. The Schumers, the Durbins, the Moores and the MSM are more committed than the Right is."
The military brass will do what they are directed to do. Don't blame them for the fact that Bush and his administration failed utterly to plan for terrorism on a mass scale in Iraq.
Your right, there is no push back from Bush and the Republican party. A slap on the wrist from McClellen isn't what I'd call fighting back.
"I understand why recruitment is down-- the damn Generals don't defend the grunts. They keep giving more and more ammo to the Islamisofascists and the Enemies within."
I don't blame the generals, I blame the civilian leadership. I agree though, in my view we are in danger of defeat in Iraq and the media is constantly portraying our efforts as bungled failure. I understand why recruitment is suffering.
"Tell me where I'm wrong."
On many points your not wrong. A little hysterical, but not entirely wrong. I am often accused of being gloomy, negative and pessimistic - but I call em' as I see em'. I said from the beginning that trying to build Islamic democracy in Iraq was probably a fools errand - especially considering the weakness of the American people, the failure of our leadership to recognize what were really up against, and the state of our own media. We have not been prepared to do what has to be done to hold and control territory, and I do not see that changing.
Longbow
Shrill and moving the chains are not muttually exclusive. They've got the ball, they got the administration out on their feet and they are using their umpires (their liberal judges and their media) to wear away our national resolve and to inspire our enemies. It's a damn crying shame. Deniers like Mike in Iraq don't help us. We need to see it for what it is and push the f*ck back.
see your mail, I sent it to you there....
Bite me. That is horse sh*t and you know it. Stonewall. You got to hand it to the Clinton's they never gave an inch. This administration is ready to give the nuclear codes if a black-robed thug ordered it. No effing leadership. No wonder the Average American has given up.
I'll take my chances....
some on here are praising him for "being strong" about the subject. I will be just as strong or stronger if I got to get my points and the TRUTH across.
I'm a she which might mean that you'll even discount what I'm saying even more than you already are.
I have told you about your pessimism before. Remember before the elections, when you were sure that Bush would lose? Remember what I told you then? You have a short memory, and a tendency to panic. Take a deep breath.
"Last time I checked, there were no Democrats making policy anywhere for the nation."
Are you kidding, Bush's policy is being watered down by them. They act like the majority -- they aren't bending. Bush hasn't won one game of Chicken with them yet.
Have you considered Prozac? I give up.
Deep Breath, Mike....
You are arguing with one person while all the others are standing behind what you say.
Ignore the one fool in the group....
;-)
And we barely won. In what should have been a 40 state landslide, we had a commie pinko; notorious traitor take us to the wire in Ohio. Besides are the Republicans in Washington acting like they won?
Stay on the couch with your hand in your waistband while the Left tears the Mother down. I bet lots of people after ther victory of '72 didn't see Watergate or the rooftop escape off the embassy in Saigon, er Ho Chi Minh City, coming either.
Ok, Al, be at the shoe store bright and early tommorow.
Oh, good, I thought GI Joe was basically banned from our national life-- I thought he had gone the way of prayers at VMI. Good to see GI Joe still waging war on remote islands in our culture.
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