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To: kanawa
I did a little more browsing and came across this thread on a site called "game-dog.com." The pitbull enthusiasts here are very careful how they word things. "Working," "gaming" and "active" seem to be their euphemisms for dog-fighting. The whole site is weird to me with people talking about "game-testing" pitbulls, selling puppies to "working homes only", and suggestions that "gaming" dogs is a way of life to be fought for.

I do agree its a terrible shame that all the dogs were simply authanized without the fellow even having a chance to clear himself.

47 posted on 03/13/2005 4:08:53 PM PST by DGray (http://nicanfhilidh.blogspot.com)
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To: DGray; kanawa; ellery

Those guys are somethin' else. 'proven', '6x winner' and so on. I've browsed around the root site that led to that forum, if you dig deep enough, you can find dog fighting rules, and first aid instruction for bleeding and injured dogs. I'm quite certain they have a private part of that forum where they really talk.

Very sophisticated, and all over the world. These dogs aren't just the back alley produce of gang members... they are being actively bred and fought by people who take it very seriously.

I am not naive enough to think they can be eliminated. It's just wishful thinking.


50 posted on 03/13/2005 8:06:28 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (It is no bad thing to celebrate a simple life!)
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To: DGray
I ran your comments by an area APBT club president and added these questions of mine.

I've talked to Ann in the past about the difference between APBTs and AmStaffs.
She said that the AmStaff people have tried to distance themselves from the fighting history,
while the APBT people tho' not condoning dog-fight accept the history of the breed and don't try to hide from it.
As well they like their dogs a little 'hotter'. Meaning, I guess, more feisty and tenacious?
Sort of what the site[game~dog.com] has as a header on it's pages...

"Pit Bull Community is dedicated to the preservation of the pit bull in its original form as a game-bred dog and in its modern incarnations as a loving companion pet and top competitor in weight pull competitions and conformation shows. We are opposed to all forms of animal cruelty, and do not promote any illegal activities, but we celebrate the history of the pit bull and value its qualities of courage, strength and tenacity as the essence of the breed. We are therefore against all forms of breed-specific legislation, and work to protect the constitutional rights of pit bull owners."

This is her response....

"game-dogs.com has been a huge site on the net for alot of years. Actually I believe that my club was even listed on their site and they always promo'd our show along with other ADBA shows. It's also been ages since I've been there!

I can't speak for the site creator/owner on what their personal views are but I know for me, that "working" means people who actually get out there do something good with their dogs (ie pulling and showing).

We do tend to prefer dogs that are a little "hotter" and yes, that's feisty.....we have no adversion to animal aggression. If you can't handle the true nature of breed, we suggest another breed that is little less intense.

But like all individual dogs, it varies from dog to dog on how much. As you've likely seen, Ann and I took pics of my Patch with her Frankie...they were side by side with no reaction. I have dogs I could not have done that with.

Game-dogs.com is a little more historical in some sense just like the APBT FAQ on the web. It tells the truth of the breed without fluffing it off.

Hope that helps clarify at least some of it to you."

58 posted on 03/22/2005 10:54:57 AM PST by kanawa (Ontario dogs need your help...see home page)
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