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Hopefully, AP's move will destroy BCS
NBC Sports ^ | Dec. 22, 2004 | Mike Celizic

Posted on 12/22/2004 10:35:03 AM PST by sean327

Hopefully, AP's move will destroy BCS Now, coaches must also show integrity and pull out.

COMMENTARY By Mike Celizic NBCSports.com contributor Updated: 12:42 p.m. ET Dec. 22, 2004

It took six seasons for the Associated Press to realize it was being used by an inherently flawed and unjust system. But at last it has disassociated itself from the BCS and its fraudulent national college football championship. advertisement We can only hope that this is the signal event that finally will trigger the collapse of the current bowl system and force the university presidents who have so zealously and wrong-headedly preserved it to come to their senses. It is long past the time when college football determines its best team in the only venue in which championships can be won — on the field of play.

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TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: bcs; bowls; collegefootball
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This may finnaly kill off the BCS, and give us a playoff. If it does, it had better include the Champs from every Conference, not just the so-called BCS Conferences. Otherwise the Div 1A National Championship will remain a farce.
1 posted on 12/22/2004 10:35:05 AM PST by sean327
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How does AP "Pull out" of the BCS? They publish their poll, why can't the BCS still use it in their formula? Anyway, the whole thing is silly. There is no reason why the bowl games couldn't have been held two weeks ago, with the winners then playing each other through early January.


2 posted on 12/22/2004 10:36:52 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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Read the article. The AP served the BCS a cease and decist order. The AP owns their poll, they have the final say if they want it used by the BCS clowns or not. Ain't free enterprise great?!


3 posted on 12/22/2004 10:39:42 AM PST by sean327 (All men are created equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: Rodney King

Damn, right! If there's a NCAA Football playoff, it'll be bigger and better than March Madness. Its gotten so screwed, I thought it was bad when Nebraska and Michigan got Co-National Champs the year before the BCS, but, leave it to the NCAA to make it worse.


4 posted on 12/22/2004 10:41:40 AM PST by MahaMarty (This'll probably get me suspended...AGAIN!)
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To: Rodney King

I totaly agree with you about using the existing Bowls as the tournament structure. Last nights game should have been a first round game.


5 posted on 12/22/2004 10:41:42 AM PST by sean327 (All men are created equal, then some become Marines!)
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"why can't the BCS still use it in their formula?"

I agree, the BCS can just use an 'anonymous' ranking (so what if it happens to match the AP exactly) and continue on...

With that said, it is ridiculous to not determine the champ on the field with a 4 or 8 team playoff system.
6 posted on 12/22/2004 10:45:33 AM PST by YouPosting2Me
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To: MahaMarty

One of the major problems with the current system is the fact the NCAA has no say in the matter. It's all drug deals between the Confrences and the Bowls. The NCAA needs to pull their heads out of their collective a$$es and step in to fix this garbage. I've said it before and will say it again the BCS stands for Big Crock of S@#T, not Bowl Championship Series!!


7 posted on 12/22/2004 10:45:48 AM PST by sean327 (All men are created equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: YouPosting2Me

A 4 or 8 team playoff still doesn't fix it, include every conference or it is still a farce!!


8 posted on 12/22/2004 10:47:39 AM PST by sean327 (All men are created equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: sean327

Yes, its time for them to get involved in one of America's treasure's.


9 posted on 12/22/2004 10:47:48 AM PST by MahaMarty (This'll probably get me suspended...AGAIN!)
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As a Texan. Cal got screwed.


10 posted on 12/22/2004 10:49:30 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody got a peanut.....)
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The AP owns their poll....

They may own the poll, including the name, but they don't own the facts once the poll is released. It is common practice for entities to create data collections (a poll is a data collection) and make them available for others to use (subscribers, let's say). However, once data and information are distributed to the public, they enter into the public domain. Anybody is then free to reuse the data in countless ways.
11 posted on 12/22/2004 10:53:16 AM PST by BikerNYC
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But with out the AP name the BCS formula's credibility suffers even more than it does now. The whole damn country knows the current system is garbage, AP dropping out is a huge step in getting a playoff in place.


12 posted on 12/22/2004 10:56:56 AM PST by sean327 (All men are created equal, then some become Marines!)
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Why do the Mods move anything to do with this topic to Chat?
Sports are news, and there are a lot of us here who follow this.


13 posted on 12/22/2004 11:01:09 AM PST by sean327 (All men are created equal, then some become Marines!)
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I can start a website listing my choices for best team and I can indicate that half of my ranking comes from the poll results from the good people of the AP. I can do it, you can do it, the BCS can do it. It's like the SAT trying to control how its statistics are used (they resist allowing others to use their stats to calculate rankings by race, etc.) -- they can't do so once the figures are released to the general public.


14 posted on 12/22/2004 11:04:04 AM PST by BikerNYC
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To: sean327

D I-A is already a farce. The best of the lesser conferences can't compete with the best of the best conferences. The best solution is one that will never happen, mimic the premiere league in English Soccer.


15 posted on 12/22/2004 11:14:18 AM PST by AmishDude
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A 4 or 8 team playoff still doesn't fix it, include every conference or it is still a farce!!

You have got to walk before you can run. Let's start with a 4-team tourney. That is the most realistic at this point, and would require only ONE additional game, while keeping the current bowl system in tact. If you think we're going to go from what we have now to a 16-team tourney overnight...well, you better quit hitting the eggnog. ;-)

16 posted on 12/22/2004 11:15:46 AM PST by GLDNGUN
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"There is no reason why the bowl games couldn't have been held two weeks ago"

That would have interfered with the "student-athletes" studying for finals. /s


17 posted on 12/22/2004 11:17:40 AM PST by Veritas et equitas ad Votum (If the Constitution "lives and breathes", it dies.)
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A 4 or 8 team playoff still doesn't fix it, include every conference or it is still a farce!!

So you think North Texas should be in the playoffs?

18 posted on 12/22/2004 11:18:14 AM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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That would have interfered with the "student-athletes" studying for finals.

LOL.

19 posted on 12/22/2004 11:19:46 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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When asked about the accuracy of the exit polling data in the most recent presidential election and its usefulness in predicting election outcomes... The AP said such use, though, was never sanctioned and had reached the point where it threatened to undermine the independence and integrity of the poll.
20 posted on 12/22/2004 11:33:16 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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