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Swift Boat Veterans For Truth

Posted on 07/29/2004 7:15:04 PM PDT by joedownthestreet

Senator John Kerry has made his 4-month combat tour in Vietnam the centerpiece of his bid for the Presidency. His campaign jets a handful of veterans around the country, and trots them out at public appearances to sing his praises. John Kerry wants us to believe that these men represent all those he calls his "band of brothers."

But most combat veterans who served with John Kerry in Vietnam see him in a very different light.


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This information has got to get out.
1 posted on 07/29/2004 7:15:05 PM PDT by joedownthestreet
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To: joedownthestreet

oops...sorry, here is the link to the rest of the article
http://www.swiftvets.com/


2 posted on 07/29/2004 7:17:11 PM PDT by joedownthestreet
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Another ping!


3 posted on 07/29/2004 7:20:35 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: joedownthestreet

It would be a real coup if GWB gave these guys a spot at the RNC convention.


4 posted on 07/29/2004 7:20:41 PM PDT by umgud (speaking strictly as an infidel,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,)
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To: joedownthestreet

Next time the Kerry Viet Nam story comes out and comments made about all the viet vets comitting war crimes and he was one who did, I will point to my husband and tell the folks around that he is not a war criminal and he had 2 tours in Viet Nam...flew 407 fixwing combat missions. Anyone in the fixed wing community knows that is a lot of missions!


5 posted on 07/29/2004 7:20:58 PM PDT by celtic gal
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To: umgud
I agree...I would love to see the Swift Boat men who are against Kerry stand with President Bush..just about choked when Kerry said his is the party of optimism...then what makes them think they always have to fight for this and that and have never one good thing to say about our country?
6 posted on 07/29/2004 7:23:06 PM PDT by celtic gal
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To: joedownthestreet

The thing is, if the GOP and the Bush campaign was tied in anyway to getting this other side of the story out, then it would be a PR/media disaster. It would be portrayed as 'Bush the possible deserter' versus the war hero.

The only way for this to matter at all is for the media to give some coverage to it, and I don't think the chances for that are very high.

Of course it is valid and relevant because of the constant reminders to Kerry's service offered by the Dems.


7 posted on 07/29/2004 7:24:42 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: Aetius

This link was posted on Michael Savage's website after one of the members of this group called into his radio program this evening...so it is getting out...we can do our part by spreading it to any media you think will give it its due. Hopefully someone will run with it.


8 posted on 07/29/2004 7:34:16 PM PDT by joedownthestreet
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To: joedownthestreet

To John Kerry and all the other Traitors:
Gee, I don't know what happened.
When I left we were winning!


9 posted on 07/29/2004 7:36:03 PM PDT by x1stcav (Benedict Arnold was a war hero, too.)
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To: joedownthestreet

Drive the liberals crazy!

Feel free to copy and paste my "post"

John Kerry's Vietnam Veterans Against the War Past

We know John Kerry spent 4 months in Vietnam

What about his 2 + years in the Vietnam Veterans Against the War?

We know he took time to film his exploits in Vietnam
and he'll debut these at the Convention.

Let's see the films he took while with the
Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

Teresa Heinz used her Democratic Convention national debut to praise anti-war protesters as America's "true patriots,"
but couldn't find anything good to say about U.S. troops fighting the war on terror in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Kerry's OWN
Vietnam Veterans Against the War

http://www.vvaw.org

NOT a "right wing wacko site"

"Our military response to the attacks has caused more civilian deaths
in Afghanistan than the hijackers caused in our country."

http://www.vvaw.org/commentary/?id=8

(Is this how Kerry would deal with another 9/11
This is not the Iraq war, it's in response to 9/11?)

Vietnam Veterans Against the War Statement on John Kerry

http://www.vvaw.org/commentary/?id=400

John Kerry and War Crimes in Vietnam
(He was in command of a Swift Boat
and ordered his men to do these things.)

http://www.vvaw.org/commentary/?id=399

How come he doesn't mention
his service to his country
AFTER he came back
from his war crimes against civilians in Viet Nam?

(Kerry Confesses to his War Crimes
Listen to this 1971 audio clip)

http://www.streamload.com/jmstein77/Kerry2.mp3

Who wants a self confessed war criminal like Kerry?

Not Me!

PS From Vietnam Veterans Against the War website

VVAW Statement on ROBERT KERREY
(NOT to be confused with John Kerry)

A 9/11 Democrat commission member
AND self confessed war criminal
against civilians in Viet Nam

http://www.vvaw.org/commentary/?id=5


10 posted on 07/29/2004 7:38:39 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hanoi Kerry is a traitor!)
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To: joedownthestreet

new movie! in 4 (self-loading) parts

UNFIT #9-JOHN KERRY: DEADLY OPPORTUNIST
SELF-CONFESSED
WAR CRIMlNAL MORPHS INTO SELF-PROMOTER WAR HERO

  • includes auteur KERRY'S cinéma-not-so-vérité BATTLEFIELD REENACTMENTS
  • COMMENTARY BY NIXON, KERRY'S COMMANDERS, CREWMATES, ETC.
JOHN KERRY IS UNFIT SERIES:
taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief


by Mia T, 7.29.04
 
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johnkerryisdangerousforamerica.blogspot.com

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http://virtualclintonlibrary.blogspot.com
http://demmemogate.blogspot.com
http://www.hillarytalks.us
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fiendsofhillary.org
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 COPYRIGHT MIA T 2004


THE REAL "REAL DEAL"
(what Kerry's commanders and crewmates REALLY think of him--with transcripts)



by Mia T, 7.18.04


 
 
KERRY SWIFT-BOAT-VET FRAUD!
 
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KERRY A 'LOOSE CANNON'

I do not believe John Kerry is fit to be the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States.

This is not a political issue. It is a matter of his judgment, truthfulness, reliability, loyalty and trust all absolute tenets of command. His biography, Tour of Duty , by Douglas Brinkley, is replete with gross exaggerations, distortions of fact, contradictions and slanderous lies. His contempt for the military and authority is evident by even the most casual review of this biography.

He arrived in country with a strong anti-Vietnam War bias and a self-serving determination to build a foundation for his political future.

He was aggressive, but vain and prone to impulsive judgment, often with disregard for specific tactical assignments.

He was a 'loose cannon.'

In an abbreviated tour of four months and 12 days and with his specious medals secured, Lt. J.G. Kerry bugged out of Vietnam and began his infamous betrayal of all US soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen, including our POWs in the Vietnam War. His leadership in the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, his testimony before Congress in 1971, charging us with unspeakable atrocities remain as undocumented but nevertheless malicious stain on the men and women who honorably stayed the course.

Senator Kerry is not fit to command. The real 'brothers' are my shipmates and veterans who reliably and honorably stayed the course.

--Admiral Hoffman, United States Navy, retired

 

 

 

KERRY HAS PERSONALITY DISORDER THAT WILL ENDANGER AMERICA

I'm here representing my late father, Admiral Zumwalt and my brother, Lt. J.G. Elmo Zumwalt who was a swift boat commander in Vietnam.

If Lt. Kerry failed to heed the commandments of his military superiors 36 years ago, whom will he heed as president? It surely will not be the electorate who voted him into office.

Senator Kerry has demonstrated a dangerous propensity to slip into multiple personalities depending on the audience he is addressing. This was clear of his Vietnam service and his actions upon returning home. It has been clear as a senator in his actions on various issues related to Iraq.

It is a personality disorder that will endanger America in the event that he is elected president.

-- Lt. Col. Jim Zumwalt, U.S. Marine Corps, retired

 

 

 

KERRY'S INDECISIVENESS PUT BOATS AND CREW IN JEOPARDY

I served in '66 and '67 on my first tour of duty in Vietnam on swift boats and I did my second tour in '68 and '69, involved with John Kerry in the last 2 1/2 months of my tour.

The John Kerry that I know is not the John Kerry that everybody else is portraying..

I served alongside him and behind him, five feet away from him as third class gunner's mate, and watched as he made indecisive moves with our boat, put our boats in jeopardy, put our crews in jeopardy.

If a man like that can't handle a 6-man crew boat, how can you expect him to be our commander in chief?

I left the Navy, lived in Clover, South Carolina and managed boat dealerships. I'm an ordinary guy with no political agenda and no party affiliation.

--Steve Gardner

 

 

 

'FIELD GENERAL' KERRY PRIME MOVER IN AMERICA'S DEFEAT

I served in Vietnam from September 1968 to September 1969, six months of which was with this honored bunch of people, many of whom are here today.

I signed that letter because I, too, felt a deep sense of betrayal: Someone who took the same oath of loyalty as I did as an officer for the US Navy would abandon his group here to join this group here and come home and attempt to rally the American public against the effort that this group was so valiantly pursuing.

You know, it is a fact that in the entire Vietnam war, we did not lose one major battle. We lost the war at home. And at home, John Kerry was the field general.

Only last week--or two weeks ago--I saw on television where, when asked to respond for his support for the Iraq war, he said, "I cannot imagine going to war without the support of the American people." The same man who joined this group to rally the American people against our effort.

This is not the making of a commander in chief.

--Bob Elder

 

 

 

 

KERRY--OPPORTUNIST OF THE WORST KIND

I served as an officer in charge of swift boats in Vietnam from June 1969 to June 1970. I think it's extremely important that all of his records be released so that the American people can judge for themselves. That's in part why I'm here today.

My greater concern is for his shameful behavior after returning from only four months in Vietnam to condemn and malign the hundred of thousands of men and women who served their country honorably and that he, by his actions, aided and abetted the very enemy we were sent to Vietnam to defeat.

In my specific experience in both coastal and river patrols over a 12-month period, I never once saw or heard anything remotely resembling the atrocities described by Sen. Kerry.

If I had, then my obligation was to report them in writing to a higher authority and I would certainly have done that. If Sen. Kerry actually witnessed or participated in these atrocities, or as he described them, "war crimes," he was obligated to report them. That he did not until later, when it suited his political purposes strikes me as opportunism of the worst kind.

That he would malign my service and that of his fellow sailors, with no regard to the truth, makes him totally unqualified to serve as commander in chief.

--Jeff Wainscot

 

 

 

KERRY ENGINEERED EARLY VIETNAM EXIT WITH FRAUDULENT PURPLE HEART

I served as commander, coastal division 14-4 early days of 1968 til the first week of 1969. Lt. J.G. Kerry reported in mid-November to that division.

While in Cam Rahn Bay, he turned in -- he trained on several 24-hour indoctrination missions. On one specific skimmer operation with my most senior and trusted lieutenant, the briefing from some members of that crew the morning after revealed that they had not received any enemy fire, and yet Lt. J.G. Kerry informed me of a wound and showed me a scratch on his arm and a piece of shrapnel in his hand that appeared to be from one of our own M-79s.

It was later reported to me that Lt. J.G. Kerry had fired an M-79 and it had exploded off the adjacent shoreline. I do not recalling being advised of any medical treatment and probably said something like, "Forget it."

He later received a purple heart for that scratch and I have no information as to how or whom.

Lt. J.G. Kerry was allowed to return to the good ol' USA after four months and a few days in country; and then he proceeded to betray his former shipmates, calling them criminals and [accusing them of] committing atrocities.

Today we are here to tell you just the opposite is true.

Republican or Democrat, it doesn't matter. I for one, could not support and do not want Senator Kerry to be commander in chief of our brave and honorable men.

--Commander Grant Everett, United States Navy, retired

 

 

 

KERRY'S ARROGANCE ROOTED IN IGNORANCE

That's the problem with Mr. Kerry. He's always criticizing others in command without knowing the facts.

--Joe Ponder

 

 

 

 

KERRY "REQUIRES CONSTANT SUPERVISION"

In the Navy, we have a term, 'service reputation,' by-and-large, unofficial and unwritten. It means the few words that a sailor's colleagues would use to give a snapshot of someone. Kerry would be described as 'devious,' 'self-absorbed,' 'manipulative,' [has] 'distain for authority,' 'disruptive,' but the most common phrase would be 'requires constant supervision.'

 --Charlie Plumly, Captain, United States Navy, retired

 

 

 

KERRY'S BETRAYAL CONTRIBUTED TO THE IMPOSITION OF TYRANNY ON THE VIETNAMESE PEOPLE

Good morning ladies and gentlemen.  My name is Bernard Wolff.

I'm a Georgia boy who joined the Navy to avoid the draft. After a couple of years in a safe, secure assignment in California, I felt an obligation to follow in the footsteps of my forebears and fight for my Country. I volunteered for Swift Boats, and was privileged to be accepted.

I served in three Coastal Divisions during my one year tour from August 1967 to 68: Cam Rahn Bay, An Thoi, and Da Nang. Like so many combat veterans, I returned to civilian life, earning an MBA and joining the business world.

I have signed the Letter to John Kerry in hopes that releasing his Navy medical records will clarify the credibility of his statements in 1971 that defamed those of us who served in Vietnam.

In addition to signing this Letter, I want to refute Kerry's assertions regarding Swift Boat crews engaging in war crimes. We went out of our way to protect innocent Vietnamese, even when it placed us in deep peril.

John Kerry's statements not only brought heartbreak to Vietnam Veterans and their families. They contributed to the imposition of tyranny upon the Vietnamese people.

My 30 years of business travel in the Far East have provided a sad testament to Vietnam's plight. I have seen citizens of neighboring countries enjoy growing prosperity, while our former friends in Vietnam have languished in isolated poverty and hopelessness. This is John Kerry's legacy.

I deeply resent John Kerry's using his Swift Boat experience, and his betrayal of those who fought there as a stepping stone to his political ambitions.

--Bernard Wolff





KERRY'S FALSE ACCUSATIONS RUINED LIVES, HARMED AMERICA

My name is Richard O'Meara. I'm from the Bronx. I served as a petty officer, 3rd class on a Swift Boat from September '68 to September '69. This was tough, frustrating and sometimes very deadly duty that we took very seriously. During my tour, I participated in over 100 combat patrols, from the very mundane Coastal patrols to the serious and deadly river operations. As crewmen, we were young volunteers and committed to our mission. After my year of duty, I left Vietnam, proud of my service to my country, proud of my crew members and proud of the work that we did.

In 1971, when John Kerry spoke out to America, labeling all Vietnam veterans as thugs and murderers, I was shocked and almost brought to my knees, because even though I had served at the same time and same unit, I had never witnessed or participated in any of the events that the senator had accused us of.

I strongly believe that the statements made by the senator were not only false and inaccurate, but extremely harmful to the United States' efforts in Southeast Asia and the rest of the world. Tragically, some veterans, scorned by the anti-war movement and their Allies retreated to a life of despair and suicide. Two of my crewmates were among them. For that, there is no forgiveness.  

--Richard O'Meara





 

KERRY DOESN'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ENDURING TRUTHS AND A BOLD-FACED LIE

I'm David Wallace from Atlanta, Georgia. In 1969-'70, I was officer-in-charge of a Swift Boat in Coastal Division 13.

The officers and men with whom I served were honest and honorable. I can only speculate what went on with John Kerry's boats and crew. I do know that I didn't see anything remotely resembling war crimes committed by American sailors, soldiers or airmen.

To the contrary, I saw time after time where American fighting men knowing placed themselves in greater danger to protect civilians and avoid what the politicians called "collateral damage."  About one-third of our operations were to assist the people of Vietnam.

John Kerry returned to this country and, under oath, told my parents, my brother, my sister, my neighbors, he told everyone I knew and everyone that I would ever know, that I and my comrades had committed unspeakable atrocities, that we tortured people, raped women, burned villages without any reason--that sort of thing. He never let up on that.

That wasn't even the worst part. He told the parents, brothers and sisters of the 58,000 brave men who paid the full measure that it's not so bad--they're just war criminals anyway....

Now he's parading around in a Navy flight jacket with patches all over it. I was in Vietnam three times longer than the senator and I didn't see anyone wear flight jackets in 90-degree weather. Now that it suits his purpose, he wants to be a war hero &endash; one wearing a leather flight jacket and telling people it brought him luck in Vietnam.

I just want a commander in chief who knows the difference between the truth and a fanciful flight that gets you somewhere. I want someone who knows the difference between a bold-faced lie and the enduring truths. From what I've seen, John Kerry isn't close.

 --David Wallace




 

THE GALLING IRONY OF KERRY'S OPPORTUNISM:
SELF-CONFESSED VIETNAM-WAR-CRIMINAL KERRY BECOMES SELF-PROCLAIMED VIETNAM-WAR-HERO KERRY

I find it ironic that in 1971-72, for almost 18 months, John Kerry stood before the American people and claimed that the 500,000 men and women in Vietnam in combat were all villains. There were no heroes. In 2004, one hero from the Vietnam War has appeared running for President of the United States and Commander in Chief.

It just galls one to think about it.

--George Elliot




KERRY'S WORST ATROCITY OF ALL

During the Vietnam War, I was a task group commander at An Thoi and my tour of duty was 13 months from the end of Tet to the beginning of the Vietnamization of the Navy units. My tour spanned the four months that Kerry served there in the area.

I think the greatest atrocity of all was when we pulled the financial rug out from under the thousands of military officers and South Vietnamese government officials and assigned them to three and four years of hard time in reindoctrination camps.

--Capt. Adrian Lonsdale, US Coast Guard, retired





KERRY'S OPPORTUNISTIC EXPLOITATION OF SWIFT BOATS -- WANTS TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS

I'm a retired chief petty officer and I live in Sun City, California. I was in Vietnam from June 1968 to Jun 1969 serving up in Da Nang and Chu Li and in January 1969, I went to Cat Lo where I served as an engineer and a lead petty officer aboard swift boats during the same period as John Kerry.

I signed this letter because I feel he used Swift Boats for Sailors to proclaim his action, his anti-war statements after the war, and now he uses the same Swift Boats for Sailors to support his claims of being a war hero.

He cannot have it both ways and we are here to ask for full disclosure of the proof of his claims.

--Jim Steffis




 

MORE STATEMENTS BY KERRY'S COMMANDERS AND CREWMATES
DETAILING THE UNFITNESS AND DANGER OF JOHN KERRY



UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#3-sang-froid and the "nuclear" button
 
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johnkerryisdangerousforamerica.blogspot.com

 COPYRIGHT MIA T 2004








Did John Kerry pick a running mate or hire a lawyer when he selected John Edwards?

by Mia T, 7.18.04

 PLAINTIFF PETTIFOGGER EDWARDS' 1ST JOB AS KERRY RUNNING MATE: KERRY DEFENSE LAWYER

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johnkerryisdangerousforamerica.blogspot.com

 

"There is no one better prepared to keep the American people safe than this man. And if you have any question what John Kerry is made of, just spend three minutes with the men who served with him 30 years ago who still stand by his side. [Emphasis added.] They saw up close that this man is a leader and he has courage, determination and he would never leave any American behind."

John Edwards
Three Minutes (Kerry ad)
July 2004



 

id John Kerry pick a running mate or hire a lawyer when he selected John Edwards?

That ambulance-chaser extraordinaire Edwards' first task on the ticket is to defend Kerry against the three-decades-old charges of betrayal and sedition and purple-heart fraud and engineering an early battlefield exit and political opportunism argues strongly for the latter...

That Kerry felt compelled to hire a lawyer rather than select a running mate who would provide balance for his ultra-left-wing credentials, or his wimpishly metrosexually Eurocentric proterrorist national-insecurity proclivity, tells us everything we need to know about John Kerry's view of his central vulnerability.

Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, Chief of Naval Operations from July 1970 to July 1974, anticipated this move by Kerry when he observed, "With Kerry's large ambitions, his career in Vietnam will haunt him if he were ever on the national stage."

 PLAINTIFF PETTIFOGGER DOES "THREE MINUTES" DEFENSE

John Edwards, the man who made his millions as plaintiff pettifogger, should feel right at home on the other side of the aisle.

He will doubtless work it with the same syrupy Southern drawl and Southern-belle eye flutter.

He will surely continue to confect out of whole cloth his requisite villains and victims, in this case, respectively, Bush/Cheney + the haves, and Kerry/Edwards + have-nots, i.e., Edwards' "two Americas," (notwithstanding Kerry's missus' late husband's billions and Edwards' pillaged-from-the-injured multi-millions, and although the too "pessimistic" shibboleth, itself, has apparently been stricken from the Edwards script).

In place of the junk science and no less shoddy so-called expert witnesses he regularly employed to sway credulous juries, Edwards will use on an equally credulous subset of the electorate the standard demagogic techniques of the run-of-the-mill (even if "son-of-a-millworker") leftist politico: lies, illogic, sleight of hand... and a splash of snake oil to lubricate the Left's ever churning agitprop-and-money-laundering machine.

 

 COPYRIGHT MIA T 2004

 

THE DEMOCRATS ARE GONNA GET US KILLED (kerry, clinton + sandy berger's pants) SERlES 2
KERRY-DEMOCRAT CONTEMPT FOR NATIONAL SECURITY[annotated]


THE DEMOCRATS-ARE-GONNA-GET-US-KILLED (kerry, clinton + sandy berger's pants) SERlES1

dox in sox on lummox in box on fox

THE REAL "REAL DEAL"
(what Kerry's commanders and crewmates REALLY think of him--with transcripts)

Did John Kerry pick a running mate or hire a lawyer when he selected John Edwards?

THE TERRORISTS' USEFUL IDIOTS
all the usual suspects


A Vote for Kerry is a Vote for the Terrorists

ELECTION BOTTOM LINE:
TERRORIST SYMPATHIZER or TERRORIST ANNIHILATOR

JOHN KERRY IS UNFIT SERIES:
taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief


UNFIT #6: The Deadly Kerry-Hollywood Axis
HOW CAN YOU PUT YOUR CHILDREN'S LIVES IN ITS HANDS?


UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#1-making the tough choices in a post-9/11 world
UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#2-understanding the job description

UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#3-sang-froid and the "nuclear" button

UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#4 - Kerry champions tolerance for terrorists


sanitizing evil
Kerry Cabal Censors Nick Berg Decapitation


"Loose Cannon" Kerry's AWOL/PURPLE-HEART FRAUD

pro-islamofascist-terrorist radical chic

USEFUL IDIOTS

MOORE IS LESS--THE MOVIE

The Cycle of Violence:
NOW WITH HYPERLINKED INSTRUCTION MANUAL


JOHN KERRY'S RECKLESS TET-OFFENSIVE-GAMBIT REPLAY:
the left's jihad against America is killing our troops, aiding + abetting the terrorists and imperiling all Americans


bill clinton, boy "genius," unwittingly bares all on BBC

deconstructing clinton… "just because I could"

vetting missus clinton...

The Parallel Universe of Jamie Gorelick

nepotism + tokenism = a nancy pelosi
(or a hillary clinton)

Kerry's Belated Condemnation Focuses on Process
Kerry Lacks Moral Authority to Condemn Content

"CRY BUSH" + Iraqi-Prisoner "Abuse"
What are the Dems up to?


DON'T BELIEVE YOUR LYING EARS (The Perjurer Returns)
(Clinton: Claims I Turned Down Bin Laden are 'Bull')

The Mary Jo White Memo:
Documentation of clintons' and Gorelick's willful, seditious malfeasance


What is the REAL Reason for Gorelick's Wall?

giant sucking sound
KERRY MAKES DUKAKIS LOOK CONSERVATIVE, SMART + JUDICIOUS



Q ERTY6 utter failureBUMP
Lib Author Regrets Voting (TWICE!) for clinton
"Sickened" by clinton's Failure to Protect America from Terrorism

MUST-READ BOOK FOR DEMOCRATS:
How clintons' Failures Unleashed Global Terror

(Who in his right mind would ever want the clintons back in the Oval Office?)

The Man Who Warned America
(Why a Rapist is Not a Fit President)

UDAY: "The end is near… this time I think the… Americans are serious, Bush is not like Clinton."

 

 

MORE

11 posted on 07/29/2004 7:39:22 PM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Aetius

"The thing is, if the GOP and the Bush campaign was tied in anyway to getting this other side of the story out, then it would be a PR/media disaster. It would be portrayed as 'Bush the possible deserter' versus the war hero."

That effect might be blunted a bit if they just spoke out in support of Bush and refrained from attacking Kerry (at the convention). Also, just their appearance there amongst the other veterans would have an impact, as long as they were identified by the media.


12 posted on 07/29/2004 7:44:28 PM PDT by dandi (This Space For Rent)
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To: celtic gal

9 of the 10 who served with Kerry had positive things to say about him.

These folks who are members of Swift Vets For Truth did not serve with Kerry below him.

There are commanders and folks from other boats.

I wonder if Kerry paid off folks from his own boat.


13 posted on 07/29/2004 7:52:35 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: joedownthestreet

Radio talk show host, Jerry Doyle, will have BOB ELDER, former Swift Boat Commander who served with John Kerry during Kerry's four months in Vietnam as his guest tonight. Elder will appear beginning at 8 PM PST, immediately following Effen's speech, to rebut Kerry's Vietnam claims. Jerry Doyle's show is usually on the same network as either Rush or Savage if your local affiliate carries his program. Call in number to speak with Doyle and Elder is 800/449-8255


14 posted on 07/29/2004 7:54:37 PM PDT by lonevoice (Some things have to be believed to be seen)
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To: dandi

I definitely agree that Bush should surround himself with as many veterans as possible. And if he can do so with some who served with Kerry, then all the better. So there I think you're absolutely right.

But I don't think the mainstream media will in anyway give any attention or credence to what appears to be the majority view of those who actually served with Kerry. Of course with the internet and talk radio the message can still be sent, but despite their decreasing importance the fact remains that the broadcast networks still reach many more people than any other single outlet, including the cable nets.


15 posted on 07/29/2004 7:56:50 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: joedownthestreet

bump


16 posted on 07/29/2004 7:58:40 PM PDT by VOA
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To: rwfromkansas
"9 of the 10 who served with Kerry had positive things to say about him. These folks who are members of Swift Vets For Truth did not serve with Kerry below him. There are commanders and folks from other boats. I wonder if Kerry paid off folks from his own boat.

Hmmm... Care to elaborate further backed by facts and sources?

17 posted on 07/29/2004 8:16:52 PM PDT by Chong (God Bless and Protect our Troops.)
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To: Chong

Well, it is accordingn to the Time Mag article that talks about the 10th brother.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,599034,00.html

The fact that the commanders are against him is significant though.


18 posted on 07/29/2004 8:18:22 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: Aetius

Book is #2 on Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/549066/ref=b_tn_bh_be/103-7014311-2171030


19 posted on 07/29/2004 8:30:31 PM PDT by Linux4Life (Kerry is BinLaden's choice)
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To: zip; BOBWADE

ping


20 posted on 07/29/2004 8:41:37 PM PDT by Mrs Zip
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