Posted on 07/29/2004 7:15:04 PM PDT by joedownthestreet
Senator John Kerry has made his 4-month combat tour in Vietnam the centerpiece of his bid for the Presidency. His campaign jets a handful of veterans around the country, and trots them out at public appearances to sing his praises. John Kerry wants us to believe that these men represent all those he calls his "band of brothers."
But most combat veterans who served with John Kerry in Vietnam see him in a very different light.
oops...sorry, here is the link to the rest of the article
http://www.swiftvets.com/
Another ping!
It would be a real coup if GWB gave these guys a spot at the RNC convention.
Next time the Kerry Viet Nam story comes out and comments made about all the viet vets comitting war crimes and he was one who did, I will point to my husband and tell the folks around that he is not a war criminal and he had 2 tours in Viet Nam...flew 407 fixwing combat missions. Anyone in the fixed wing community knows that is a lot of missions!
The thing is, if the GOP and the Bush campaign was tied in anyway to getting this other side of the story out, then it would be a PR/media disaster. It would be portrayed as 'Bush the possible deserter' versus the war hero.
The only way for this to matter at all is for the media to give some coverage to it, and I don't think the chances for that are very high.
Of course it is valid and relevant because of the constant reminders to Kerry's service offered by the Dems.
This link was posted on Michael Savage's website after one of the members of this group called into his radio program this evening...so it is getting out...we can do our part by spreading it to any media you think will give it its due. Hopefully someone will run with it.
To John Kerry and all the other Traitors:
Gee, I don't know what happened.
When I left we were winning!
Drive the liberals crazy!
Feel free to copy and paste my "post"
John Kerry's Vietnam Veterans Against the War Past
We know John Kerry spent 4 months in Vietnam
What about his 2 + years in the Vietnam Veterans Against the War?
We know he took time to film his exploits in Vietnam
and he'll debut these at the Convention.
Let's see the films he took while with the
Vietnam Veterans Against the War.
Teresa Heinz used her Democratic Convention national debut to praise anti-war protesters as America's "true patriots,"
but couldn't find anything good to say about U.S. troops fighting the war on terror in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Kerry's OWN
Vietnam Veterans Against the War
http://www.vvaw.org
NOT a "right wing wacko site"
"Our military response to the attacks has caused more civilian deaths
in Afghanistan than the hijackers caused in our country."
http://www.vvaw.org/commentary/?id=8
(Is this how Kerry would deal with another 9/11
This is not the Iraq war, it's in response to 9/11?)
Vietnam Veterans Against the War Statement on John Kerry
http://www.vvaw.org/commentary/?id=400
John Kerry and War Crimes in Vietnam
(He was in command of a Swift Boat
and ordered his men to do these things.)
http://www.vvaw.org/commentary/?id=399
How come he doesn't mention
his service to his country
AFTER he came back
from his war crimes against civilians in Viet Nam?
(Kerry Confesses to his War Crimes
Listen to this 1971 audio clip)
http://www.streamload.com/jmstein77/Kerry2.mp3
Who wants a self confessed war criminal like Kerry?
Not Me!
PS From Vietnam Veterans Against the War website
VVAW Statement on ROBERT KERREY
(NOT to be confused with John Kerry)
A 9/11 Democrat commission member
AND self confessed war criminal
against civilians in Viet Nam
http://www.vvaw.org/commentary/?id=5
new movie! in 4 (self-loading) parts
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(viewing movie requires Flash Player 7, available HERE) KERRY A 'LOOSE CANNON' This is not a political issue. It is a matter of his judgment, truthfulness, reliability, loyalty and trust all absolute tenets of command. His biography, Tour of Duty , by Douglas Brinkley, is replete with gross exaggerations, distortions of fact, contradictions and slanderous lies. His contempt for the military and authority is evident by even the most casual review of this biography. He arrived in country with a strong anti-Vietnam War bias and a self-serving determination to build a foundation for his political future. He was aggressive, but vain and prone to impulsive judgment, often with disregard for specific tactical assignments. He was a 'loose cannon.' In an abbreviated tour of four months and 12 days and with his specious medals secured, Lt. J.G. Kerry bugged out of Vietnam and began his infamous betrayal of all US soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen, including our POWs in the Vietnam War. His leadership in the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, his testimony before Congress in 1971, charging us with unspeakable atrocities remain as undocumented but nevertheless malicious stain on the men and women who honorably stayed the course. Senator Kerry is not fit to command. The real 'brothers' are my shipmates and veterans who reliably and honorably stayed the course. --Admiral Hoffman, United States Navy, retired KERRY HAS PERSONALITY DISORDER THAT WILL ENDANGER AMERICA If Lt. Kerry failed to heed the commandments of his military superiors 36 years ago, whom will he heed as president? It surely will not be the electorate who voted him into office. Senator Kerry has demonstrated a dangerous propensity to slip into multiple personalities depending on the audience he is addressing. This was clear of his Vietnam service and his actions upon returning home. It has been clear as a senator in his actions on various issues related to Iraq. It is a personality disorder that will endanger America in the event that he is elected president. -- Lt. Col. Jim Zumwalt, U.S. Marine Corps, retired KERRY'S INDECISIVENESS PUT BOATS AND CREW IN JEOPARDY The John Kerry that I know is not the John Kerry that everybody else is portraying.. I served alongside him and behind him, five feet away from him as third class gunner's mate, and watched as he made indecisive moves with our boat, put our boats in jeopardy, put our crews in jeopardy. If a man like that can't handle a 6-man crew boat, how can you expect him to be our commander in chief? I left the Navy, lived in Clover, South Carolina and managed boat dealerships. I'm an ordinary guy with no political agenda and no party affiliation. --Steve Gardner 'FIELD GENERAL' KERRY PRIME MOVER IN AMERICA'S DEFEAT I signed that letter because I, too, felt a deep sense of betrayal: Someone who took the same oath of loyalty as I did as an officer for the US Navy would abandon his group here to join this group here and come home and attempt to rally the American public against the effort that this group was so valiantly pursuing. You know, it is a fact that in the entire Vietnam war, we did not lose one major battle. We lost the war at home. And at home, John Kerry was the field general. Only last week--or two weeks ago--I saw on television where, when asked to respond for his support for the Iraq war, he said, "I cannot imagine going to war without the support of the American people." The same man who joined this group to rally the American people against our effort. This is not the making of a commander in chief. --Bob Elder KERRY--OPPORTUNIST OF THE WORST KIND My greater concern is for his shameful behavior after returning from only four months in Vietnam to condemn and malign the hundred of thousands of men and women who served their country honorably and that he, by his actions, aided and abetted the very enemy we were sent to Vietnam to defeat. In my specific experience in both coastal and river patrols over a 12-month period, I never once saw or heard anything remotely resembling the atrocities described by Sen. Kerry. If I had, then my obligation was to report them in writing to a higher authority and I would certainly have done that. If Sen. Kerry actually witnessed or participated in these atrocities, or as he described them, "war crimes," he was obligated to report them. That he did not until later, when it suited his political purposes strikes me as opportunism of the worst kind. That he would malign my service and that of his fellow sailors, with no regard to the truth, makes him totally unqualified to serve as commander in chief. --Jeff Wainscot KERRY ENGINEERED EARLY VIETNAM EXIT WITH FRAUDULENT PURPLE HEART While in Cam Rahn Bay, he turned in -- he trained on several 24-hour indoctrination missions. On one specific skimmer operation with my most senior and trusted lieutenant, the briefing from some members of that crew the morning after revealed that they had not received any enemy fire, and yet Lt. J.G. Kerry informed me of a wound and showed me a scratch on his arm and a piece of shrapnel in his hand that appeared to be from one of our own M-79s. It was later reported to me that Lt. J.G. Kerry had fired an M-79 and it had exploded off the adjacent shoreline. I do not recalling being advised of any medical treatment and probably said something like, "Forget it." He later received a purple heart for that scratch and I have no information as to how or whom. Lt. J.G. Kerry was allowed to return to the good ol' USA after four months and a few days in country; and then he proceeded to betray his former shipmates, calling them criminals and [accusing them of] committing atrocities. Today we are here to tell you just the opposite is true. Republican or Democrat, it doesn't matter. I for one, could not support and do not want Senator Kerry to be commander in chief of our brave and honorable men. --Commander Grant Everett, United States Navy, retired KERRY'S ARROGANCE ROOTED IN IGNORANCE --Joe Ponder KERRY "REQUIRES CONSTANT SUPERVISION" --Charlie Plumly, Captain, United States Navy, retired KERRY'S BETRAYAL CONTRIBUTED TO THE IMPOSITION OF TYRANNY ON THE VIETNAMESE PEOPLE I'm a Georgia boy who joined the Navy to avoid the draft. After a couple of years in a safe, secure assignment in California, I felt an obligation to follow in the footsteps of my forebears and fight for my Country. I volunteered for Swift Boats, and was privileged to be accepted. I served in three Coastal Divisions during my one year tour from August 1967 to 68: Cam Rahn Bay, An Thoi, and Da Nang. Like so many combat veterans, I returned to civilian life, earning an MBA and joining the business world. I have signed the Letter to John Kerry in hopes that releasing his Navy medical records will clarify the credibility of his statements in 1971 that defamed those of us who served in Vietnam. In addition to signing this Letter, I want to refute Kerry's assertions regarding Swift Boat crews engaging in war crimes. We went out of our way to protect innocent Vietnamese, even when it placed us in deep peril. John Kerry's statements not only brought heartbreak to Vietnam Veterans and their families. They contributed to the imposition of tyranny upon the Vietnamese people. My 30 years of business travel in the Far East have provided a sad testament to Vietnam's plight. I have seen citizens of neighboring countries enjoy growing prosperity, while our former friends in Vietnam have languished in isolated poverty and hopelessness. This is John Kerry's legacy. I deeply resent John Kerry's using his Swift Boat experience, and his betrayal of those who fought there as a stepping stone to his political ambitions. --Bernard Wolff KERRY'S FALSE ACCUSATIONS RUINED LIVES, HARMED AMERICA In 1971, when John Kerry spoke out to America, labeling all Vietnam veterans as thugs and murderers, I was shocked and almost brought to my knees, because even though I had served at the same time and same unit, I had never witnessed or participated in any of the events that the senator had accused us of. I strongly believe that the statements made by the senator were not only false and inaccurate, but extremely harmful to the United States' efforts in Southeast Asia and the rest of the world. Tragically, some veterans, scorned by the anti-war movement and their Allies retreated to a life of despair and suicide. Two of my crewmates were among them. For that, there is no forgiveness. --Richard O'Meara KERRY DOESN'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ENDURING TRUTHS AND A BOLD-FACED LIE The officers and men with whom I served were honest and honorable. I can only speculate what went on with John Kerry's boats and crew. I do know that I didn't see anything remotely resembling war crimes committed by American sailors, soldiers or airmen. To the contrary, I saw time after time where American fighting men knowing placed themselves in greater danger to protect civilians and avoid what the politicians called "collateral damage." About one-third of our operations were to assist the people of Vietnam. John Kerry returned to this country and, under oath, told my parents, my brother, my sister, my neighbors, he told everyone I knew and everyone that I would ever know, that I and my comrades had committed unspeakable atrocities, that we tortured people, raped women, burned villages without any reason--that sort of thing. He never let up on that. That wasn't even the worst part. He told the parents, brothers and sisters of the 58,000 brave men who paid the full measure that it's not so bad--they're just war criminals anyway.... Now he's parading around in a Navy flight jacket with patches all over it. I was in Vietnam three times longer than the senator and I didn't see anyone wear flight jackets in 90-degree weather. Now that it suits his purpose, he wants to be a war hero &endash; one wearing a leather flight jacket and telling people it brought him luck in Vietnam. I just want a commander in chief who knows the difference between the truth and a fanciful flight that gets you somewhere. I want someone who knows the difference between a bold-faced lie and the enduring truths. From what I've seen, John Kerry isn't close. --David Wallace THE GALLING IRONY OF KERRY'S OPPORTUNISM: It just galls one to think about it. --George Elliot KERRY'S WORST ATROCITY OF ALL I think the greatest atrocity of all was when we pulled the financial rug out from under the thousands of military officers and South Vietnamese government officials and assigned them to three and four years of hard time in reindoctrination camps. --Capt. Adrian Lonsdale, US Coast Guard, retired KERRY'S OPPORTUNISTIC EXPLOITATION OF SWIFT BOATS -- WANTS TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS I signed this letter because I feel he used Swift Boats for Sailors to proclaim his action, his anti-war statements after the war, and now he uses the same Swift Boats for Sailors to support his claims of being a war hero. He cannot have it both ways and we are here to ask for full disclosure of the proof of his claims. --Jim Steffis MORE STATEMENTS BY KERRY'S COMMANDERS AND CREWMATES COPYRIGHT MIA T 2004 |
(viewing movie requires Flash Player 7, available HERE) johnkerryisdangerousforamerica.blogspot.com "There is no one better prepared to keep the American people safe than this man. And if you have any question what John Kerry is made of, just spend three minutes with the men who served with him 30 years ago who still stand by his side. [Emphasis added.] They saw up close that this man is a leader and he has courage, determination and he would never leave any American behind." John Edwards
id John Kerry pick a running mate or hire a lawyer when he selected John Edwards? That ambulance-chaser extraordinaire Edwards' first task on the ticket is to defend Kerry against the three-decades-old charges of betrayal and sedition and purple-heart fraud and engineering an early battlefield exit and political opportunism argues strongly for the latter... That Kerry felt compelled to hire a lawyer rather than select a running mate who would provide balance for his ultra-left-wing credentials, or his wimpishly metrosexually Eurocentric proterrorist national-insecurity proclivity, tells us everything we need to know about John Kerry's view of his central vulnerability. Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, Chief of Naval Operations from July 1970 to July 1974, anticipated this move by Kerry when he observed, "With Kerry's large ambitions, his career in Vietnam will haunt him if he were ever on the national stage." PLAINTIFF PETTIFOGGER DOES "THREE MINUTES" DEFENSE John Edwards, the man who made his millions as plaintiff pettifogger, should feel right at home on the other side of the aisle. He will doubtless work it with the same syrupy Southern drawl and Southern-belle eye flutter. He will surely continue to confect out of whole cloth his requisite villains and victims, in this case, respectively, Bush/Cheney + the haves, and Kerry/Edwards + have-nots, i.e., Edwards' "two Americas," (notwithstanding Kerry's missus' late husband's billions and Edwards' pillaged-from-the-injured multi-millions, and although the too "pessimistic" shibboleth, itself, has apparently been stricken from the Edwards script). In place of the junk science and no less shoddy so-called expert witnesses he regularly employed to sway credulous juries, Edwards will use on an equally credulous subset of the electorate the standard demagogic techniques of the run-of-the-mill (even if "son-of-a-millworker") leftist politico: lies, illogic, sleight of hand... and a splash of snake oil to lubricate the Left's ever churning agitprop-and-money-laundering machine.
COPYRIGHT MIA T 2004 |
- THE DEMOCRATS ARE GONNA GET US KILLED (kerry, clinton + sandy berger's pants) SERlES 2
KERRY-DEMOCRAT CONTEMPT FOR NATIONAL SECURITY[annotated]
THE DEMOCRATS-ARE-GONNA-GET-US-KILLED (kerry, clinton + sandy berger's pants) SERlES1
dox in sox on lummox in box on fox
THE REAL "REAL DEAL"
(what Kerry's commanders and crewmates REALLY think of him--with transcripts)
Did John Kerry pick a running mate or hire a lawyer when he selected John Edwards?
THE TERRORISTS' USEFUL IDIOTS
all the usual suspects
A Vote for Kerry is a Vote for the Terrorists
ELECTION BOTTOM LINE:
TERRORIST SYMPATHIZER or TERRORIST ANNIHILATOR
JOHN KERRY IS UNFIT SERIES:
taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
UNFIT #6: The Deadly Kerry-Hollywood Axis
HOW CAN YOU PUT YOUR CHILDREN'S LIVES IN ITS HANDS?
UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#1-making the tough choices in a post-9/11 world
UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#2-understanding the job description
UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#3-sang-froid and the "nuclear" button
UNFIT: taking the measure of a would-be commander-in-chief
#4 - Kerry champions tolerance for terrorists
sanitizing evil
Kerry Cabal Censors Nick Berg Decapitation
"Loose Cannon" Kerry's AWOL/PURPLE-HEART FRAUD
pro-islamofascist-terrorist radical chic
USEFUL IDIOTS
MOORE IS LESS--THE MOVIE
The Cycle of Violence:
NOW WITH HYPERLINKED INSTRUCTION MANUAL
JOHN KERRY'S RECKLESS TET-OFFENSIVE-GAMBIT REPLAY:
the left's jihad against America is killing our troops, aiding + abetting the terrorists and imperiling all Americans
bill clinton, boy "genius," unwittingly bares all on BBC
deconstructing clinton "just because I could"
vetting missus clinton...
The Parallel Universe of Jamie Gorelick
nepotism + tokenism = a nancy pelosi
(or a hillary clinton)
Kerry's Belated Condemnation Focuses on Process
Kerry Lacks Moral Authority to Condemn Content
"CRY BUSH" + Iraqi-Prisoner "Abuse"
What are the Dems up to?
DON'T BELIEVE YOUR LYING EARS (The Perjurer Returns)
(Clinton: Claims I Turned Down Bin Laden are 'Bull')
The Mary Jo White Memo:
Documentation of clintons' and Gorelick's willful, seditious malfeasance
What is the REAL Reason for Gorelick's Wall?
giant sucking sound
KERRY MAKES DUKAKIS LOOK CONSERVATIVE, SMART + JUDICIOUS
MUST-READ BOOK FOR DEMOCRATS:
How clintons' Failures Unleashed Global Terror
(Who in his right mind would ever want the clintons back in the Oval Office?)
The Man Who Warned America
(Why a Rapist is Not a Fit President)
UDAY: "The end is near
this time I think the
Americans are serious, Bush is not like Clinton."
"The thing is, if the GOP and the Bush campaign was tied in anyway to getting this other side of the story out, then it would be a PR/media disaster. It would be portrayed as 'Bush the possible deserter' versus the war hero."
That effect might be blunted a bit if they just spoke out in support of Bush and refrained from attacking Kerry (at the convention). Also, just their appearance there amongst the other veterans would have an impact, as long as they were identified by the media.
9 of the 10 who served with Kerry had positive things to say about him.
These folks who are members of Swift Vets For Truth did not serve with Kerry below him.
There are commanders and folks from other boats.
I wonder if Kerry paid off folks from his own boat.
Radio talk show host, Jerry Doyle, will have BOB ELDER, former Swift Boat Commander who served with John Kerry during Kerry's four months in Vietnam as his guest tonight. Elder will appear beginning at 8 PM PST, immediately following Effen's speech, to rebut Kerry's Vietnam claims. Jerry Doyle's show is usually on the same network as either Rush or Savage if your local affiliate carries his program. Call in number to speak with Doyle and Elder is 800/449-8255
I definitely agree that Bush should surround himself with as many veterans as possible. And if he can do so with some who served with Kerry, then all the better. So there I think you're absolutely right.
But I don't think the mainstream media will in anyway give any attention or credence to what appears to be the majority view of those who actually served with Kerry. Of course with the internet and talk radio the message can still be sent, but despite their decreasing importance the fact remains that the broadcast networks still reach many more people than any other single outlet, including the cable nets.
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"9 of the 10 who served with Kerry had positive things to say about him. These folks who are members of Swift Vets For Truth did not serve with Kerry below him. There are commanders and folks from other boats. I wonder if Kerry paid off folks from his own boat.
Hmmm... Care to elaborate further backed by facts and sources?
Well, it is accordingn to the Time Mag article that talks about the 10th brother.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,599034,00.html
The fact that the commanders are against him is significant though.
Book is #2 on Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/549066/ref=b_tn_bh_be/103-7014311-2171030
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