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Posted on 09/06/2023 12:04:52 PM PDT by girlangler
Go out to Doublegunshop, or Shotgunworld, easy enough to join. Take some more pics. Specifically, remove the forearm, remove the barrels (move the toplever to the right) and take some pics of the barrel flats (underside near the breech where the proof marks are). Note any names on the top rib, or anyplace else. Post pics and ask their opinion. Wood to metal fit looks pretty good, kind of basic engraving. Corrosion in the bores is very common on older guns, which makes a gun dangerous to shoot. Polishing the bores can remove pitting and corrosion, but then the barrel walls will usually be way to thin to be safe.
Yep, you are correct. I didn’t notice the lever on first glance.
I am trying to sell it for my friend. Her husband died and he was a gun collector. She took most of his guns to a local gun dealer who I suspect underpaid her for them. So I told her I would try to figure out what this one was worth. This is what we think it is: https://www.icollector.com/J-Hubl-Combination-Side-by-Side-Back-Action-Hammer-Rifle-Shotgun_i9387806?fbclid=IwAR3mCuOkcPna4epNebiI2-34lMahEH-a2ToSzmvkt3XyG_tP1-5Cbv436Bs
barrel break double barrel, two triggers. Actually a very nice birding gun, apparently cared for. Remington made them in 1889 but the hammers on this one are shaped differently so might very well be a Dragoon. Common cavalry weapon.
Mentions the “cheek piece” on the stock not visible in your photo. The photo of the gun shows the cheek piece (which if not reversed would put the cheek piece on someone’s LEFT cheek, in the sense they would place the carved cheek piece in that position. There not being a carved cheek on the left stock side. Advice about the writing on the barrel stamp or stamp just under the break lever is good advice.
An observation.
Worst possible place to announce it is for sale. Tell her to take it down immediately!
This content isn’t available right now. Seems like a bit of censorship going on.
That gun is what is called a back lock, your gun is a side lock. A better picture of the logo of the deer with the shotgun hooked to it’s antlers might clear up the manufacturer.
It’s not that one, it has no external hammers like yours. We really need what is says under the stag engravings on the barrels. It looks like it says something Stagg? Could be custom engraved for a past owner.
One word is Stahl, German for steel. Many turn of the last century shotguns advertised their steel as being suitable for smokeless. Such things as “Fluid Steel”, “Acier Special”, “Cockerill Steel” were all markings around that time. There will also be a nitro proof mark since most European countries required them. It would be on the barrel flats or water table.
My guess is Facebook blocked it and will not allow it to be posted.
It looks black. It’s a deadly assault weapon that will kill hundreds of women, children, and poor minorities with a single pull of the trigger.
Concur.
Need to have the manufactures' name and proof marks (Proof marks help determine age.). The engraving looks simple but full coverage.
If it has a "no" name and Belgium black powder proof marks, it may be worth a couple of hundred dollars if it is in shooting condition. However, if it has a name like Purdey and nitro proof marks it could be worth 5,000-10,000 dollars. A couple of months ago, I saw a Holland and Holland black powder shotgun with exposed hammers selling for $6500.
My Father-in-law had a black powder muzzle loading shotgun that was in unfireable condition (pitted bores and a severely cracked stock). We all thought it was worth $50-$75. However, I thought the name was familiar. After some research, I was able to determine that the gun was made by the guy who taught Purdey how to make shotguns. He put it on Gunbroker and it sold for about $400.
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Not a muzzle loader. Those are firing pins, not nipples. You can also see the line where the breech opens. Nice example of “rabbit ear” hammers...an earlier side lock, rather than a box lock.
There was a magazine that focused entirely on old shotguns. They had an article that tested how strong Damascus barrels were. They had an old bottom of the line Parker (Parker used to make some of the finest shotguns in America). The bores were pitted and it had some serious mechanical issues. They handloaded shells in ever increasing powder charges. To the author's amazement (and mine), it finally blew up after it was loaded 200% of a modern loading.
Having said that, no one is going to tell you to shoot modern loads with Damascus barrels, because there is a risk unless it was made recently. Yes, they still make shotguns with Damascus barrels, but the starting price is in the $5000 price range.
The Doublegun Journal, sadly it ceased publication recently.
I think I read the article about using modern proof loads in old guns, and many held up pretty well. One problem is that Damascus barrels varied widely in quality. Some are works of art, others miserable twist steel.
Pictures at #8. Very German gun, cheekpiece, sling swivels… etc. My theory is that it came back with a GI and made its way to the current owner.
I absolutely agree. If it is a Belgium trade gun of the same period, I wouldn’t let live ammunition get in the same room with it.
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