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Will The BRICS Dethrone The US Dollar?
Daniel Lacalle Blog ^ | 08/28/2023 | Daniel Lacalle

Posted on 08/28/2023 9:05:27 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time
Contract law throughout the ages has been about trust. Sanctions, as we have been watching, is about breaking trust.

The United States imposed sanctions upon Russia only after Russia had broken our trust, and the trust of the rest of the Free World: By launching a massive invasion of Ukraine, grabbing land, and thus completely abrogating the post-WWII security order.

This is like reneging on an I.O.U. written to your neighbor after your neighbor has murdered the newspaper boy.

Regards,

41 posted on 08/28/2023 11:07:43 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It is not in anybody’s interest to “destroy the dollar,” — that’s nuts — too many dollars in National reserves out there.

However, it is in everyone’s best interest (accept for the deep=state Banking Cabal) to move from a unipolar petrodollar world into a multi-polar currency and commodity pricing/exchange world.

Hopefully, the move to a multi-polar world will be gradual and as peaceful as possible.

This is the real WWIII battle the media will never tell you about.


42 posted on 08/28/2023 11:13:10 AM PDT by FranklinsTower
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To: SeekAndFind

“with an invitation to join the group extended to the Emirates, Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Argentina, and Ethiopia”

That’s it! With such economic and stable power-houses joining in I’m going to get rid of every dollar I have.


43 posted on 08/28/2023 11:39:21 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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To: SeekAndFind
The big August 22 meeting exposed infighting with the initial BRICS members. China wants to be top dog. The others insist on everyone having an equal share in the endeavor. China has serious economic problems. The lack of agreement doesn't bode well for BRICS.
44 posted on 08/28/2023 11:57:07 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: SeekAndFind

The dollar, under the control of the Uniparty, is working hard to dethrone itself. All part of the plan to globalize the world.

People that should know better sometimes do, and sometimes don’t. The lessons of the Weimar Republic should shout out pretty loud.


45 posted on 08/28/2023 11:59:10 AM PDT by meyer (FBI = KGB for the DNC; IRS = Gestapo)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Let us not forget that several of these partners have joined the group, thinking that from now on they will be able to continue printing money and spending without control, but their monetary imbalances will be distributed to other nations....”

I think this is exactly what USA is doing, hence other nations are forced to seek shelter in other solutions -


46 posted on 08/28/2023 12:07:04 PM PDT by kp2hot
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To: SeekAndFind

The premise of inevitability and invincibility of US dollar as reserve currency rests on non-violability of BRICS or other currencies to be global reserve currency. Why does world need global currency or global reserve in the first place? It has never existed in the history of world, and kingdoms were still able to trade bilaterally, In a multi-polar world, nations will find ways to trade bilaterally and regionally by creating bilateral and regional arrangements. Resourceful nations will try to become self-sufficient so they would need only minimal international trade to meet their domestic needs. More nations are going to reject globalism and global trade, and they are heading in that direction


47 posted on 08/28/2023 12:21:22 PM PDT by kp2hot
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To: Renfrew
---- "Actual trade is still what matters, and US dollar transactions are still 85% of all currency exchanges."

Correct. In the moment. One of the problems in trying to get a grip on changing situations is that it is as in navigation, "maneuvering relative to another vessel."

"Meanwhile, the U.S. share of the world economic output has fallen from 32% in 1980 to 24% in 2020<, according to calculations by the U.S. Federal Reserve, while the country's share of global trade dropped from 14% to 11% in the same period. Yet in other respects the dollar's grip is as tight as ever. The dollar was on one side of 88% of all foreign exchange trades in April last year, according to the Bank for International Settlements. The Fed estimates that between 1999 and 2019 the dollar accounted for 96% of trade invoicing in the Americas, 74% in the Asia-Pacific region, and 79% in the rest of the world. Banks used the greenback for around 60% of all international deposits and loans."

In "Why the dollar keeps winning in the global economy," Reuters, 28 February 2023.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/breakingviews/global-markets-breakingviews-2023-02-28/

So the dollar is strong because other nations are using it in trade, and the BIC and other big banks make profit thereby. Yet we fall in economic output as in share of global trade. These issue seem separate, but they are not long term. We as citizens are not synonymous with the U.S. Federal Reserve or Bank for International Settlements. At least my wife and I are not. You may own shares....

As share of global productivity and trade fall, the US in these ways weakens. And, as with maneuvering relative to another vessel, our "strength" in the currency will change. One month after the above citation, one reads:

"The role of the dollar in global trade is even more pronounced, accounting for 96% of trade transactions in the Americas, 74% in the Asia-Pacific region, and 79% in the rest of the world, excluding Europe where the euro dominates, according to Federal Reserve data for 1999-2019."

In "China Begins to Erode US Dollar Dominance in Global Trade Agreements," Gro Intelligence," 16 May 2023

Source: https://www.gro-intelligence.com/insights/china-begins-to-erode-us-dollar-dominance-in-global-trade-agreements

As to the Fed:
"The U.S. Government does not own shares in the Federal Reserve System or its component banks, but does receive all of the system's annual profits after a statutory dividend of 6% on their capital investment is paid to member banks and a capital account surplus is maintained. The government also exercises some control over the Federal Reserve by appointing and setting the salaries of the system's highest-level employees." Wiki

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_of_the_Federal_Reserve_System

So the government receives income from the Fed, making the government, in a way, both the fox and the hen house.

The above citations from February and then May suggest change is going on. If the IMF and BIC see changes, via competing entities offering other kinds of "settlements" and slipping out of the reach of a unipolar control, then much is up for grabs.

This is in part why your statement is important, "Actual trade is still what matters," and, as above, our US trade is lessened because other trade is growing as a share of global trade. With Saudi Arabia and Iran showing willingness to work outside the so-called "petrodollar," things could change more quickly.

What seems interesting is that "competition" to a unipolar world is increasing. The sanctions erected over these last years are not assisting in increasing trade throughout the world. They are annoying other nations -- rightly or wrongly -- and that will give impetus fir those annoyed to seek alternatives.

48 posted on 08/28/2023 12:48:22 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: meyer
--- "The lessons of the Weimar Republic should shout out pretty loud."

Agreed. There is another side to the lesson of the Weimar Republic as to the lunacy of Zimbabwe. In each there were politicians aplenty who said the actual outcome would never happen until it did, and/or it was "worth it" after it happened.

A HardTalk BBC interview from years ago comes to mind. A minister in the Clement Attlee government was the guest, and the interviewer asked about the 23 percent unemployment when he was in government back then. The jackass' response, "Yes, but WE WERE IN CHARGE." That was his point. Not remorse for citizens, but pride that he held that position.

49 posted on 08/28/2023 12:54:01 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: alexander_busek

I went looking for articles on what Obama did to the US money supply, the M2 number. Holy smoke, there was article after article about how Obama rescued the economy from certain death. What bunk. Here’s my memory. Obama doubled the M2 number, the amount of US money in existence. That turned every dollar into fifty cents. Then, because that did nothing to the economy, he did it again. So, from fifty cents to twenty-five cents. Then, he added 87 billion dollars per month. What proportion that was to the overall total I don’t know. We didn’t feel the impact right away because inflation is too much money chasing too few goods. That money didn’t get down to the level of us and the grocery store right away for a number of reasons. The banks who got the cash, did not lend it out or otherwise put it into circulation. What did they do? They bought stock.

The other day I had to buy a bottle of alcohol. It used to be .79. I paid $3.98. Look around at the things you buy. Prices have gone way up. The thing that has saved us from Weimar levels of inflation has been Covid and the collapse of the Chinese economy.

The economy is complicated. Despite what wags tell us, it’s nothing like the household economy. That’s because the households can’t print money. Also, the prices we see are affected by the world at large and, in general, that has softened things. For example, because the US market was going up and the EU gave Cypress a haircut on their bank accounts, everyone who had money to invest dumped it in the US market, which makes things cheaper for us. Thirteen cents on the dollar is a guess. But things Obama did will haunt the US consumer for the rest of our lives.


50 posted on 08/28/2023 1:22:39 PM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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To: Gen.Blather

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1032048/value-us-dollar-since-1640/


51 posted on 08/28/2023 1:26:21 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Gen.Blather

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M1SL


52 posted on 08/28/2023 1:27:45 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

From another thread, a Hemingway quote: “How did you go bankrupt? Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.” From The Sun Also Rises, 1926.

Is that how it’s happening with the USD & US economy?


53 posted on 08/28/2023 1:29:47 PM PDT by citizen (Put all LBQTwhatever programming on a new subscription service: PERV-TV)
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To: Gen.Blather

https://data.nasdaq.com/data/FRED/M1-m1-money-stock


54 posted on 08/28/2023 1:29:53 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: SeekAndFind

The US Treasury bond market is a major reason that the dollar is the reserve currency. There is no rival currency with anything like it, and BRICS won’t have it either.


55 posted on 08/28/2023 1:37:16 PM PDT by Pelham (President Eisenhower. Operation Wetback 1953-54)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

There are wild differences between M1, M2, and M3. Also, you get a totally different graph if the numbers are adjusted for inflation. Each graph needs to be read in context. When it’s produced, who produced it and what year dollars it’s referenced too all count. It’s more complicated than a few posts on FR will cover. But ask yourself, are you better off with the government printing money because the president wants to look better? The reason we recovered under Trump was investors took a total of 30 trillion dollars out of circulation and held it in cash. This is because Obama fired the head of GM and gave the “secured” bond holders a haircut. He gave, communist style, part of GM to “the workers.” The investors took their money off the market because they no longer believed in the rules. Trump came in and they dumped it back into the economy. Now we have Biden, which is Obama with even less charm and more hair sniffing.


56 posted on 08/28/2023 1:43:50 PM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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To: kp2hot
Why does world need global currency or global reserve in the first place? It has never existed in the history of world, and kingdoms were still able to trade bilaterally, In a multi-polar world, nations will find ways to trade bilaterally and regionally by creating bilateral and regional arrangements.

It never existed before because nations (and certainly not private corporations) didn't conduct financial transactions of anywhere near the order of magnitude of modern transactions (not even in relative terms).

And even when they did conduct large transactions (still miniscule in comparison with modern-day transactions - see above), they didn't use fiat currency. (Well, debased specie did eventually come into circulation, but...)

Instead, they bartered (e.g., slaves for land, wheat for olive oil, etc.) - with all the concomitant inefficiencies.

We need a large-volume currency (a.k.a. global reserve currency) because it would be economically inefficient to do otherwise.

Imagine, if you will, a small, isolated town where the only currency is I.O.U.s that anyone can write up in his own name. Some "regular joe" wants to purchase a plot of land from you. Question: Would you rather accept the I.O.U.s of this "rando" - or the bonafide I.O.U.s of the town's "Mr. Potter" or "Miss Gulch" character, who controls half the county?

Or suppose you're a simple grocer: Would you rather that your 400 regular customers EACH pay with their own individual I.O.U.s? (Imagine what your bookkeeping would look like!) Or with the single currency of the I.O.U.s of the local "Bill Gates?"

Regards,

57 posted on 08/28/2023 2:14:16 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: citizen
Because "The Sun Also Rises," it also sets.

There have been plenty of assertions, devoid of references and citations, to say plenty of things. I tend to cite something and "show my work," while many hesitate to do so.

Might I suggest a peek at Shadow Stats, just for another view to things. Or one can always believe what government tells you. Or the media. Or even a Freeper.

https://www.shadowstats.com/

58 posted on 08/28/2023 4:48:23 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Gen.Blather

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WM2NS


59 posted on 08/28/2023 4:50:07 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Gen.Blather

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MABMM301USM189S


60 posted on 08/28/2023 4:50:29 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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