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To: MNDude
I've been saying this since day one. This was a civil war that the EU and the USA have turned into a massive kill machine.

Ukraine has been doing just fine with Russia "owning" Crimea for almost 10 years. And the other area...also had special status for years.

Ukraine has made no gains and has done a sh** a** job with their independence.

And the poor people of Ukraine...they don't know what's going on..as they watch their churches close and watch people being denied the right to speak Russian.

4 posted on 08/17/2023 6:56:51 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: Sacajaweau

Someone posts “pray for Ukraine” every day here.

Looks like prayers are being answered and peace is finally coming to Ukraine.


18 posted on 08/17/2023 7:21:02 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: Sacajaweau
Russia took "territory from Ukraine" in 2014 as you note - they took Crimea and de facto took the Donetsk People's republic and the Luhansk People's republic

That is the year by year breakdown of deaths in the Donbas attributed to miliary operations

or if you just limit this to civilian deaths by mine-related incidents

Russia TOOK this land, but it came back 8 years later for more

What guarantee is there that Russia will not take what it controls now and come back later for more?

22 posted on 08/17/2023 7:38:47 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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