Posted on 02/24/2023 2:13:14 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
From a practical standpoint, railroads will need to review and revise the process of moving this material safely. I doubt there was intentional negligence on anyone’s part, but a kind of carelessness has come home to roost.
I think it was completely on purpose.
The US feral government has declared war on legacy US citizens and wants them dead.
What’s up with the “Intentionally blown up”nonsense in this article. This BS journalism puts the article in the category of crap click bait.
So you call setting the whole mess on fire a “controlled burn?”
Pretty easy to brainwash, aren’t ya?
I heard an interview with a first responder (fire tanker driver) this evening on the WMAL, Vince Coglianse show. It was a spellbinder account of how the fire was a living inferno when the tanker and his buddy arrived on the scene. The chemical was leaking out, on fire, and running down a ditch toward town. One building was already on fire. The tanker driver and buddy had gotten separated en route to the fire and wound up on the opposite side of the tracks from the pumper. The two (tanker driver and buddy) pulled their hoses and proceeded to try and keep the fire from getting down the ditch into East Palestine. In the fight to put out the fire, the two got separated with the buddy attacking the flowing fire in the ditch leading into town. At one point the tanker driver radio lost contact with his buddy and thought he may have lost him, but the buddy came back a while later with half of his coat burned off and missing a boot. It was a helluva story. Bottom line, the tanker driver who also was the chief hazmat officer for the county said that if the ‘controlled burn’ was able to generate temps over 400 degrees then perhaps the dioxin would have been destroyed.
Cancer incoming
I don’t know. There are other means to eradicate the citizenry that require less effort. I do understand your mistrust, though.
Exactly! It’s all caca...scare tactics for the filthy democrat agenda.
Plausible deniability.
It’s the “intelligence community” way.
We can do better I’m sure, but there will never be a way to transport bulk quantities of hazardous materials in perfect safety.
When we get more clever we will mitigate the issue by integrating or co-locating industries which produce hazardous materials with industries which consume them, so that such materials never leave the industrial site while in hazardous form.
Paging Leonardo DiCaprio. Leonardo DiCaprio please pick up the white courtesy phone.
"Controlled burn" is very specific term used in wildfire management.
"A controlled or prescribed burn, also known as hazard reduction burning, backfire, swailing, or a burn-off, is a fire set intentionally for purposes of forest management, fire suppression, farming, prairie restoration or greenhouse gas abatement."
Use of the term "controlled burn" for a hazardous chemical conflagration is gaslighting of the highest order.
What, pray tell, is "controlled" about this?
On some radio talk show today, while on the way to run a few errands, I heard a guest talk about the assurances from Bush and Whitman as to the quality of air and water in the area after 9/11. Businesses were asked to return to work to show “terrorists will not win”. They did so based on the assurances of the government that the air quality was fine. The guest said, both his legal secretary and law clerk died from cancer a short while later, both at age (I believe he said) of 37. He himself was a prostrate cancer survivor. He rattled off the number in his firm that had suffered from cancer since 9/11.
They discussed the fact that the fires burned for over 90 days, dust was constantly raining down like snow-flakes, and it took almost a year for the site to be cleaned. These people trusted our government officials to their detriment. Most of the first responders from that time have died of cancers and other illnesses.
Tell me again why we should believe the assurances of government officials that the air and water in Ohio are safe (and secure)?
“Who signed off on the burning of these carloads of deadly chemicals? This is as Biden’s Chernobyl.”
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I’ve heard different versions as to who was responsible for the decision. From the EPA, local fire chief, mayor, and railroad executives. It would be interesting to know who exactly made that call. Whoever made it was apparently not knowledgeable enough to realize that it would be a Biga Bada Boom and would release toxic chemicals into the air and soil to the level that it did.
Whomever made that decision should be charged with illegal disposal of toxic waste.
Didn’t the Kuwait oil fields burn for six months? Seems like it would be bigger.
FReegards
The article is a week old. Has the spreading stopped?
The author of the OP article went overboard to use every inflammatory talking point he could grab ahold of and even wove vaccines in at the end. Cute. The worst thing was the “intentionally blown up” line that was tossed out.
The article is well written. The author is accomplished in that regard. He is also either deceptive or ignorant. Take your pick. My pick is deceptive.
I'm going to target the “intentionally blown up” line that was tossed into the mix. BTW, I am a very good engineer, HAZOP, safety, R&D, operations, construction, design, etc. I know BS when I see it.
As for the “intentionally blown up” conspiracy line... This is the key embed. It's tossed in without a shred of credible evidence to support it. The only thing I'm aware of is that I read an assertion by some random person that oh my gawd the first responders were burning off the contents since relief valves were not closed off.
Relief valves are never able to be blocked off. They are a safety device to relieve pressure so that there is not an explosion. If relief valves had not been functioning as intended, the the resulting rupture of the tankers would have been truly catastrophic. Think vapor cloud explosion or radically worse air and water contamination than what is currently known. A couple of friends of mine were near a vapor cloud explosion some time ago that was from an ethylene oxide tank leak with just a few pounds iof pressure. It flattened several acres of land. The railroad tankers in the fire would probably have had roughly 100 pounds or more of pressure, easily enough to pop the relief valve.
I am not making light of the grave impacts of the Ohio train derailment. However, it could have been worse, far worse. The first responders from the small town and surrounding county on-site for the first hour or three could be similarly affected as the NYFD firemen of 9-11-2001. It's that serious. Responding with specialized HAZOP persons surely took a few hours and heavy equipment, supplies and high end expertise slamming in probably hours after that.
So, you can take your sanctimonious brainwashed comment and shove it. You have zero clue what what was faced in the early hours, reinforcements marshaled on-site or long term implications and some weird website is not going to have anything useful in this regard. Chemical Violence. Gimme a break.
My opinions…
A hazardous chemical conflagration is NOT a "controlled burn" just because they had enough control to touch it off.
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