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After 2008 and the Heller decision, the "collective rights" mythology should have been killed off. But Leftists keep on resurrecting it. Even the Leftists on the Supreme Court, in Heller, recognized the Second Amendment protects individual rights.
1 posted on 02/23/2023 2:36:25 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Interesting that the left fought for 60 years before this novel theory of theirs got traction in the courts. Remember that any time some leftie complains “Roe v. Wade was settled law!”


2 posted on 02/23/2023 2:53:29 PM PST by Boogieman
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3 posted on 02/23/2023 2:55:31 PM PST by PROCON (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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Interesting that in the 1800s it was considered an Individual right.

You really need to read the highly suppressed and out of print 1982 Senate report on the RKBA. I have a paper copy.

Here is an on line version.

https://guncite.com/journals/senrpt/senrpt.html

“The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner.”

19th century cases
16. * Wilson v. State, 33 Ark. 557, at 560, 34 Am. Rep. 52, at 54 (1878).

“If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the (p.17)penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of constitutional privilege.”

17. * Jennings v. State, 5 Tex. Crim. App. 298, at 300-01 (1878).

“We believe that portion of the act which provides that, in case of conviction, the defendant shall forfeit to the county the weapon or weapons so found on or about his person is not within the scope of legislative authority. * * * One of his most sacred rights is that of having arms for his own defence and that of the State. This right is one of the surest safeguards of liberty and self-preservation.”

18. * Andrews v. State, 50 Tenn. 165, 8 Am. Rep. 8, at 17 (1871).

“The passage from Story (Joseph Story: Comments on the Constitution) shows clearly that this right was intended, as we have maintained in this opinion, and was guaranteed to and to be exercised and enjoyed by the citizen as such, and not by him as a soldier, or in defense solely of his political rights.”

19. * Nunn v. State, 1 Ga. (1 Kel.) 243, at 251 (1846).

“’The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed.’ The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, and not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State.”

And the SCOTUS case that led to the Civil War..

What the SCOTUS thought about gun control in the pre Civil War era.
“It would give to persons of the negro race, who were recognised as citizens in any one State of the Union, the right to enter every other State whenever they pleased, singly or in companies, without pass or passport, and without obstruction, to sojourn there as long as they pleased, to go where they pleased at every hour of the day or night without molestation, unless they committed some violation of law for which a white man would be punished;
and it would give them the full liberty of speech in public and in private upon all subjects upon which its own citizens might speak; to hold public meetings upon political affairs,
and to KEEP AND CARRY ARMS wherever they went.”

Paragraph 77 in the link below. Then over 300 paragraphs to try and prove blacks were NOT citizens and had no rights.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0060_0393_ZO.html


6 posted on 02/23/2023 3:29:55 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (“No man’s life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session.”)
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To: marktwain

That remained the official position of the ACLU until well after Heller. As of that decision they began an “internal discussion” over their position that is yet to be officially resolved.


7 posted on 02/23/2023 3:30:49 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: marktwain

It was clear from the start that gun ownership is an individual right, not a collective right, courts just ignored this, until 2008.

If liberal aquaintances want to argue about collective rights, just point out that the Bill Of Rights deals only with individual rights, period.

Giving credit where due, John Roberts was the swing vote in the 5-4 Heller decision that changed the course of gun ownership in America.


8 posted on 02/23/2023 3:33:43 PM PST by Roadrunner383
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To: marktwain

As you noted, no one was present to argue for Miller in the Miller case. But any honest reading of the decision concludes that had it been demonstrated before the Court that a sawed off shotgun was indeed a regular military weapon that it would be protected under 2A.

Extrapolating from that so would automatic weapons, and even bazookas.


10 posted on 02/23/2023 3:52:57 PM PST by MileHi ((Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: marktwain
As usual, the Marxist takeover of the U.S. has been accomplished thanks to the original enabling efforts of a Roosevelt...

In the early 1900s, Teddy stole our land and created the 16th Amendment under the banner of progressivism and Franklin (who, later, the Vikings might have nicknamed "Ivar The Boneless") managed to get a fellow traveler into the federal judgeship who committed an abortion on the 2nd Amendment...

19 posted on 02/23/2023 6:00:09 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is the next Sam Adams when we so desperatly need him)
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To: marktwain

Interesting history lesson, thanks for sharing.


26 posted on 02/24/2023 6:42:57 AM PST by wjcsux (RIP Rush Limbaugh 12 Jan 1951- 17 Feb 2021. We really miss you. 😢)
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