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There was an attempt to quash the "died suddenly" story last week. To be fair, some of the Citizen Reporting isn't peer reviewed, and there is an apples to oranges element of the comparison.

That said, outright dismissal is also bad form.

Here is a data-driven response:

A study Sudden Deaths in Young Competitive Athletes-Analysis of 1866 Deaths in the United States, 1980–2006 shows an average of sixty-six (66) deaths per year.

A separate global study, Sudden cardiac death in athletes: the Lausanne Recommendations lists 1101 (1966-2004) reported cases in athletes under 35 years, or an average of 29 per year.

This data set of citizen reports shows over 1,000 such deaths in 2022.

Now, these data are apples and oranges. The peer data averages may be downed-biased because the researchers didn't have Internet search capabilities back then. Also the first study is US only and the Lausanne study is global. Finally, the citizen dataset is not totally homogenous with that of the peer data, most notably on an age basis.

Thus, let's fix what we can - the age difference.

Let's take the citizen dataset, and focus on people 13-25 (the age range with the first study). Dec 2022-28 deaths, Nov 2022-39, Oct 2022-19, Sept 2022-17 , Aug 2022-about 30, July 2022-15, June 2022-22, May 2022-19, April 2022-22, March 2022-44 (that was a tough month), February 2022-17, January 2022-31.

Grand total for 2022 is 303.

That's waaaaaay more than the benchmarks. Notwithsndingnthe pros and cons to the data sets, this result should be, for people of good faith, worthy of a "hmmmmm...." and further investigation. Something is up.

Now, let's be honest: these citizen datasets suffer from a lack of consistency in data capture, recording, and processing that the benchmark data possess (though they, as noted, the benchmarks likely suffer from a reporting limitation). It's the same reason why clinical trials are so important in assessing whether or not a shot should graduate to a vaccine. Thus, nobody should do a victory lap with 303. Indeed, we are taking about young people dying - nobody should be happy.

I am also not going to claim that all of this data are prima facie evidence that the shots are causing these sudden deaths. In fact, I am hoping that the claim that zillions of shot-recipients will be dead in five years turns out to be as wrong as it is sensational.

However, considering the virtual absence of legitimate data capture with consistent recording, data scrubbing, and verification, we drink the dirty water at the oasis in this desert.

The data are compelling - SOMETHING bad is happening to youths.

Let's keep in mind, these shots were granted EUA and weren't subject to proper clinical trials, to assess long-term risks. This is especially worrying because vaccines fail trials 59% of the time and take a median of 9 years.

The fact that "scientists" simply dismiss the "died suddenly" claims without so much as ATTEMPTING to investigate the hypothesis, tells you all you need to know.

17 posted on 01/17/2023 6:29:40 AM PST by DoodleBob ( Gravity’s waiting period is about 9.8 m/s²)
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To: DoodleBob
The fact that "scientists" simply dismiss the "died suddenly" claims without so much as ATTEMPTING to investigate the hypothesis, tells you all you need to know.

Exactly.

21 posted on 01/17/2023 6:40:46 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith….)
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To: DoodleBob
The fact that "scientists" simply dismiss the "died suddenly" claims without so much as ATTEMPTING to investigate the hypothesis, tells you all you need to know.

Exactly.

Often, what is most telling is not what they say or do but what they don’t say or do.

22 posted on 01/17/2023 6:41:25 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith….)
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To: DoodleBob
Let's take the citizen dataset, and focus on people 13-25 (the age range with the first study). Dec 2022-28 deaths, Nov 2022-39, Oct 2022-19, Sept 2022-17 , Aug 2022-about 30, July 2022-15, June 2022-22, May 2022-19, April 2022-22, March 2022-44 (that was a tough month), February 2022-17, January 2022-31.

Grand total for 2022 is 303.

Interesting.

The other studies you referenced both looked at young, competitive athletes who died of very specific sudden cardiac events. And who's cases were well documented in the medical system.

On the other hand, the "citizen reports" you reference are, shall we say, less selective:

"This means that provided a person is reasonably fit, healthy and does some athletic activity, rather than an unfit “couch potato,” then they can be included in this list. Needless to say, these are only the persons reported to us by readers or that we discovered during research. Also note that almost all of these have been reported in the media."

A quick scan of the most recent entries shows quite a diversity of causes of death. "Unknown" is by far the most common but just in the last several months we also have:

liver disease
autoimmune disorder
cancer
Hodgkin's lymphoma
brain aneurysm
sepis from Strep A
hemophagocytic lymphohistiocytosis
pneumonia
"an illness"
mononucleosis
leukemia
"following brain surgery"
...

These are being compared to a very selective subset of deaths from a specific cardiac anomaly..

The data are compelling...

Uh, no.

25 posted on 01/17/2023 7:12:22 AM PST by semimojo
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Exactly doodlebob. While anecdotal evidence does not scientific facts make, there comes a time when anecdotal evidences need to be taken seriously because a new trend is being established. I. This case, young people are dropping over, and “it appears that” it is I creasing in frequency.

IF this is truly,increasing, the scientists should be alarmed and start to take th8s issue very seriously.

We used to,be a nation that took people’s health very seriously, such as inmthe case of the diet pill that was killing people, fen Phan I think it was called? The product was yanked off the shelves when it was discovered that a few people were dying from it. Far fewer died from the diet drug tha. Have died from vaccines for covid (if that is what is causing g the deaths, and it appears that it is), yet the propaganda dists, scientists and medical establishment are doing everything they can to resist looking into,the actual cause objectively.

Not only are they resisting, but they are attacking anyone that suggests that it needs to be Investigated.

We used to take people’s health seriously- made it a priority, but these days politics seems to,have really marred the process, and a shocking disregard for life seems to have taken over.

We will never know how many researchers and medical professionals who pushed the vsccines on us refused to take the vaccines themselves because of their suspicion of it


26 posted on 01/17/2023 7:12:41 AM PST by Bob434
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