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Kharkiv: Russian Troops Retreat From Ukraine to Russia: Planned Redeployment or the Beginning of Collapse?
Red State ^ | 05/10/2022 | Streiff

Posted on 05/10/2022 7:57:05 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Over the last week, the Russian position north of Kharkiv has collapsed. There are two explanations, and both involve an endgame for Putin’s War.

Most commentary on military operations over the last week has focused on what is assumed to be the center of gravity of the Russian campaign in Ukraine, Donbas, and the siege of Mariupol. However, in my opinion, the real activity to watch has been occurring on the Ukraine-Russia border. Kharkiv had been under daily artillery and rocket fire, destroying most of it.

When I saw the city center of Kharkiv, destroyed by air bombs, I was shocked. Last time I saw such images on the photographs of the WWII. Then it was bombed by the Germans, 76 years later it is bombed by the Russians.


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— Maxim Dondyuk 🇺🇦 (@maximdondyuk) May 10, 2022

However, you can see a significant shift in positions northeast of Kharkiv over the last week. My tweet below gives a side-by-side view of the front line today and one week ago.

What a difference a week makes. Russian positions a week ago on the left; from yesterday on the right. h/t @Militarylandnet


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— streiff (@streiffredstate) May 10, 2022

The Ukrainian counteroffensive has pushed Russian artillery out of range of Kharkiv, but the big news is that, in advance, that covered 40 kilometers, Ukrainian troops have reached the border with Russia, and Russian troops seem to be withdrawing from that area of operations back into Russia.

Unconfirmed but solid reports that Ukrainian troops have reached the Russian border to the North-East of Kharkiv near the town of Ternova. Today the UAF General Staff announced that Russian troops have withdrawn across the border. This unconfirmed news makes that seem more likely


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— Nathan Ruser (@Nrg8000) May 10, 2022

As I’ve pointed out many times, the Russians attempt to do too much with too few assets. This diffusion of effort results in their inability to muster overwhelming force at the critical point on the battlefield. Even now, with Russia on the glideslope to technical and numerical inferiority, we see four separate operations underway.

There is one operation centered on Kharkiv, one on northern Donbas, a third on southern Donbas, a fourth around Kherson, and politicians pushing for a fifth campaign to take Odesa and create a land bridge that connects Russia to Donbas, Crimea, Odesa, and the Transnistria region of Moldova (Putin Decides to Widen the War With Ukraine to Achieve His Objectives). At most, two of these campaigns actually support one another. Some of these campaigns are critical (Ukraine’s Future Depends on These Three Fights That Russia Must Win), and some are sideshows, but the point is that only one campaign should be ongoing.

Everything else takes assets that could be used for the main effort and grinding them down. The concept of the “tyranny of numbers” doesn’t just apply to computers. Russia started the war with about 120 battalion tactical groups (BTGs).

At full strength, a BTG will have about 600-800 men. There is a growing body of evidence that Russian BTGs did not enter the war at full strength, and they are at less than full strength now. Moreover, only about 100 BTGs still exist. If you divide them up to carry out five different campaigns, no one has the strength to do anything.

The campaign around Kharkiv had no purpose other than to tie down some number of Ukrainian units at the cost of tying down a larger number of Russian units. There was never any danger the Russian force could generate the combat power to take a major city, and the perimeter the Russians held required many more troops than needed by the defenders. After the Battle of Kiev, Ukraine’s actions show that it does not intend to physically invade Russia (though it might use air, missile, and special forces strikes against key assets). A smart move would be for Russia to abandon the operation directed at Kharkiv, reconstitute those units, and feed them into the Donbas campaign where they could make a difference.

The other possibility is that we’re seeing the leading edge of a loss of will on the part of the Russian Army. There have been multiple reports of combat refusals and unauthorized retreats.

Trusted 🇷🇺 SpN source comment. Mobilized DNR units in Kharkiv direction were withdrawn to Russia due to low motivation. Units were untrained, lightly equipped, unprepared for battle. Rebellion started after first contact with 🇺🇦 forces. Artillery fire as main reason of panic.

— Russian_VDV_Textbooks (@VDV_Textbooks) May 10, 2022

Putin yesterday: "Everything is going as planned in Ukraine."
Reality in Ukraine today: Bridge collapsed under Russian forces who were fleeing from Ukrainian forces north of Kharkiv.🤣 pic.twitter.com/KCFAqXgceG

— WorldOnAlert (@worldonalert) May 10, 2022

An area of operations like that north of Kharkiv would be a logical place for this to start happening. The Ukrainians have devoted men and resources to the counteroffensive to force Russian artillery away from Kharkiv. On the other hand, the Russians are on a low-priority front and could be sucking hind teat, as they say, when it comes to food, ammunition, and fuel. If the troops are not down with the program, once you start moving them to the rear, if for no other reason than to shorten your defensive lines, it can be difficult to stop them.

Should this movement by the Russians continue, Ukraine will clear Russian troops from all of Ukraine, save Donbas, in the next week or so. What does it mean?

Suppose it is a deliberate decision to abandon a dead-end operation and use those troops to greater effect in Donbas. In that case, it will signal that Russia’s war aims have been reduced to annexing Donbas (see Russia Is Creating Facts on the Ground to Support Annexing Eastern Ukraine). Moreover, the tactical withdrawal from around Kharkiv would return to Ukrainian control territory, not within the boundaries of Donetsk Oblast, and provide Moscow with a bargaining chip in any negotiations.

On the other hand, if it is a morale collapse like that experience by the German Army in 1918, this problem is not going to get better. In the next month, we should see it happen again, perhaps serially, as units that have been in heavy combat for nearly 90 days and are now feeling the brunt of Western European weaponry decide they have had enough fun and start making their own decisions.

Either Putin is abandoning territory outside of Donbas to free up troops and set a new border for cease-fire talks, or the Russian Army is beginning to fall apart. Regardless of the reason, I think this move can be viewed as part of an endgame.



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1 posted on 05/10/2022 7:57:05 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

All Part of Putin’s Plan.©️


2 posted on 05/10/2022 8:04:57 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s Moldova “up next”...


3 posted on 05/10/2022 8:05:18 PM PDT by Does so (https//youtu.be/3PxEWB6W8ig ......Uke's Independence Day Parade. Anthem starts at 15:00)
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To: SeekAndFind

Didn’t Russian say one of their goals was to neutralize the Ukrainian military? Then independence for Luhansk and Donetsk? Kharkiv is not in those regions. Do you all think this is a hit and run operation to wear down the Ukrainian military?


4 posted on 05/10/2022 8:05:54 PM PDT by packagingguy
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RE: Do you all think this is a hit and run operation to wear down the Ukrainian military?

They said the same thing about Kyiv. If it were so, it is a very costly hit and run operation — 20,000 dead and even more badly wounded seems like a chess game where you sacrifice your valuable pieces in order to win the game. There may be a method to the madness but I fail to see it.


5 posted on 05/10/2022 8:11:13 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: packagingguy

“Do you all think this is a hit and run operation to wear down the Ukrainian military?”

No.


6 posted on 05/10/2022 8:11:19 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: packagingguy

All these things have accomplished is wearing down the Russkie military, with units actively refusing to go forward and running from the battlefield. Morale is collapsing for the Russkies all along their territory.


7 posted on 05/10/2022 8:12:27 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Interesting analysis. Thanks.

No people like us know what the F##ck is going on.


8 posted on 05/10/2022 8:16:56 PM PDT by Sarcazmo ("Sarcasm is the highest form of wit" ~ O. Wilde)
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To: SeekAndFind
Pulling out in preparation of dropping nukes?

9 posted on 05/10/2022 8:21:06 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie; SeekAndFind

The reason I asked is it sounds kind of like the Confederate raiders in the Civil War, just go in hit and leave.


10 posted on 05/10/2022 8:21:26 PM PDT by packagingguy
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To: SeekAndFind

Sir David Attenborough’s take on the situation:

https://twitter.com/ItsBorys/status/1523664324950036480?cxt=HHwWgMCo2a-okqUqAAAA


11 posted on 05/10/2022 8:22:20 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Time to fly the other black flag -- one of no quarter for Marxists.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It is a retreat out of the Kharkiv Front. Plain and simple. They are tapping out in the part of the war and pulling back behind their own border.


12 posted on 05/10/2022 8:27:50 PM PDT by BenLurkin ((The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.))
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To: SeekAndFind

well if they are gonna lob nukes in there it would make sense to get your guys out.

Putin really wants this in his legacy. He wants to use some nukes. No question about it.


13 posted on 05/10/2022 8:29:56 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: packagingguy
Definitely hit and run but like this.
14 posted on 05/10/2022 8:30:00 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Sometimes hit and run works (Afghanistan vs. Soviets, US, Vietnam vs. US) sometimes not (Confederate vs. Union). That’s why I asked.


15 posted on 05/10/2022 8:34:59 PM PDT by packagingguy
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To: Does so

They have to finish Odessa first so Putin can have all that beachfront property.


16 posted on 05/10/2022 8:45:45 PM PDT by miserare ( Respect for life--life of all kinds-- is the first principle of civilization.~~A. Schweitzer.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Putin is playing 5d chess with y'all. Here he is studying latest tactics,

Rossiya stronk

17 posted on 05/10/2022 8:57:45 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: BitWielder1

He drops hikes on kharkiv, blowback will fall on Russian territory. By that I mean radiation fallout from the bomb, as kharkiv is close to Russian territory


18 posted on 05/10/2022 8:59:31 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Secret Agent Man

Putin strikes me as someone that would nuke his own troops if he thought they had underperformed.


19 posted on 05/10/2022 9:16:28 PM PDT by Oklahoma
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To: SeekAndFind

Its all about logistics. Now that the Russian Navy is being harassed effectively the Russians cannot supply their troops with fuel, ammunition and replacements in southeastern Ukraine. Apparently they are having great difficulty resupplying across land borders with Ukraine. Simply put Russian troops in Ukraine are becoming more combat ineffective daily. Hard to maintain morale in such circumstances.

IMHO 1russia cannot win. However it is a made mistake for Western leaders to not pursue a diplomatic settlement but to totally humiliate Russia. A desperate Putin just might in his tormented state ( his career and almost all he accomplished leading Russia away from the Communist debacle has been destroyed) Desperate men often do irrational things. He just might deploy tactical nuclear weapons and risk the end of the world.


20 posted on 05/10/2022 9:22:30 PM PDT by allendale
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