Posted on 03/19/2022 9:40:08 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Regime change in Russia? G*d how I hate neocons. How about we just mind our own business for once.
Such hubris. Why not start with a regime change in America if it’s so freaking easy?
Russia spent $450m per year funding the deaths of hundreds of thousands of South Vietnamese and 58,000 GI’s during the Vietnam War:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonid_Brezhnev#The_Vietnam_War
That’s $3.6b per year in current dollars. We gave South Vietnam our best shot, but couldn’t take the losses any more, dooming tens of millions of South Vietnamese to totalitarian rule. Today, in Ukraine, we get the chance to return Russia the favor *and* help a democracy stay out of Russia’s clutches.
Sure, unlike Russia during the 60’s, we’re not sending the Ukrainians our best stuff, and we’re not spending nearly as much money. But given the decrepit state of the Russian military, even half a loaf may be enough for the tough and resourceful Ukies. And if they play their cards right, and manage to capture an entire Russian army the way the Poles did in 1920, Ukraine may well get several decades of peace before the Russians give this another try.
They forget, or are completely unaware of the facts, that Zelenskyy came to power with the help of a billionaire oligarch. He’s not Mother Teresa, FFS!
RE: We gave South Vietnam our best shot, but couldn’t take the losses any more, dooming tens of millions of South Vietnamese to totalitarian rule. Today, in Ukraine, we get the chance to return Russia the favor *and* help a democracy stay out of Russia’s clutches.
Here’s the difference:
I’m not sure if Putin cares about how many Russians are killed as long as he eventually reaches his goal. Also, Putin controls the media in Russia and all means of disseminating information unlike our Vietnam experience whenre guys like Walter Cronkite were endlessly telling everyone that the USA is losing ( even when we were not ) and numerous celebrities ( like Jane Fonda ) were openly siding with the Vietcongs and rooting for our defeat.
On the other hand, The Walter Kronkites and Jane Fonda’s of Russia are either being jailed, threatened or killed. Therein lies the difference.
At this point it is a war of attrition and Putin is willing to wait this one out.
You seem to have a vested interest in this action.
Would you be so interested if it were South Africa vs Namibia?
RE: that Zelenskyy came to power with the help of a billionaire oligarch
Therefore, what follows, that the invasion of Ukraine and the bombing and killing of thousands of innocent people is justified?
I never said that. But I’m not the one posting that Russians should die a miserable death at the hands of Ukrainian missiles and bombs. I want this to be over, hopefully with a cease fire and a resolution of their differences. I’m simply pushing back against the ridiculous notion that Ukraine is an innocent party in this war because it’s not. Look into the 14,000 ppl, Russians and Ukrainians, who have been killed in the Donbas area over the last 8 years at the hands of the Azov Battalion and other Ukrainian militias. Do you GAF about those victims?
I know you’re not a Putinista - you post a ton of stuff from varying viewpoints.
Plus I know your time in Asia, and your balanced POV. It was very interesting to watch you learn from your own postings thru the plandemic.
Thank you for all your work here.
RE: Look into the 14,000 ppl, Russians and Ukrainians, who have been killed in the Donbas area over the last 8 years at the hands of the Azov Battalion and other Ukrainian militias.
Ok, so what follows? That it is therefore JUSTIFIED to expand this battle further west so that more Russians and Ukrainians will die?
If any, your observations about the Donbas region should be an argument for the OPPOSITE - No invasion, but more negotiatons.
However you look at it, Putin is wrong ( an understatement ).
[I’m not sure if Putin cares about how many Russians are killed as long as he eventually reaches his goal. ]
If the Russian appetite for casualties were unlimited, Poland and Finland would not be independent countries today:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War
Russia has almost never had a completely free press. But the press today is way freer than it was during the Soviet era. And Putin doesn’t have quite the hold over the Russian population his Soviet predecessors had, because of the market economy. In Soviet Russia, you could literally starve dissidents by depriving them of ration cards. That’s not an option available to Putin.
Note that Russia’s is ultimately an Oriental army. And by Oriental, I mean both the Near and Far East. In the Near East, Turkish generals ran the show. In Iraq, Egypt and Libya, officers removed the ruler and put themselves in charge.
In Oriental armies, soldiers view themselves as contenders for the throne. They are robotically obedient on their face, yet will move against their ruler when given the chance. Whereas Western armies are independent-minded on their face, yet robotically obedient in political terms, with no thought given to seizing power for themselves. If Putin missteps by getting too many Russians killed, there are plenty of his underlings waiting to be saviors of the Russian people by replacing Putin on the throne and stopping a pointless war.
The argument regarding the poor innocent people of Eastern Ukraine fails to mention that the Russian separatists invaded those areas, violating Ukraine’s borders.
But the same people who quote this as reason for Russia’s invasion will complain about our southern border in the same sentence.
RE: The Russians lost 13,000 dead in Afghanistan and bailed.
Putin was not the leader of Russia then. Different leader, different attitudes towards human life.
From Vimeo:
“Is the War in Ukraine Part of the Great Collapse before the Great Reset?”
The above link is to a lecture given by a South African Christian minister, posted March 15, 2022, to the JamesJapan blog.
“This is an excellent lecture about Russia and Ukraine from a Bible believer’s perspective. The speaker is Dr. Peter Hammond, a missionary who has pioneered evangelistic outreaches in the war zones of Mozambique, Angola, and Sudan.”
On the website provider, James Japam Arednt:
“About James Arendt
I was raised in the Hegewisch neighborhood of Chicago, Illinois, served in the USAF from 1970 to 1974, and became a full-time missionary for Christ living 40 years in Japan, 3.5 years in Russia, and a few months in other countries such as Finland, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, South Korea, Taiwan and mainland China where I also served the King of Kings, Jesus, as an Ambassador for His Kingdom. My full bio.
(Note: large and generous Christian blo
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Note: Two items in particular stood out in the lecture - that of the attempt of Mr. Putin to apply for Russia to join NATO at one point (refused) and the icon purported to be of the Lord Jesus Christ in his meetings upon the wall over his head.
I can see it.
Russia will take Ukraine and the NWO will be set back.
This fight is going to kill many souls but it is orchestrated by none other than Schwab and Soros.
Those cheering for Baal are very misguided.
[Putin was not the leader of Russia then. Different leader, different attitudes towards human life.]
At the present time, Ukraine has inflicted 7,000 killed on Russia (US estimates) or 14,000 (Ukraine estimates). Either way, the toll on Russia has been significant. If you take the US estimate, the Russians have taken half of all the KIA they lost in a decade of Afghan fighting only after 3 weeks in Ukraine. And Russia has half the population it had in the Soviet-Afghan War.
Russian formations are taking WWII scale casualties in a war of choice. In WWII, their choice was to fight or be killed by the Nazis, who aimed to exterminate the Russians and repopulate the land with Germans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_Plan
The German government was riddled with Soviet spies, so Stalin had a pretty good idea of Hitler’s post-victory plans. The average Russian soldier also knew that the Nazis had made huge down payments on this intent by starving 2/3 of the Russian POW’s to death and slaughtering Russian civilians randomly.
So morale wasn’t a problem. If you’re going to die anyway, why not take one of them with you before going down? Whereas in Ukraine - why not desert and move to the EU, apply for political asylum and get government bennies or find a job while waiting for family reunification visas to be approved?
Neo Nazi lover
“Putin is not the bad guy”
You seem to have a very high threshold for badness.
[Putin was not the leader of Russia then. Different leader, different attitudes towards human life.]
The name calling goes both ways and does not advance the conversation…
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