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Most People Have No Idea How Much Stocks are Likely to Crash
mishtalk.com ^ | 2/23/22 | Mish

Posted on 02/26/2022 6:12:36 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal

Let's discuss value investor Jeremy Grantham's thesis on "super bubbles" and his target for the S&P 500.

For almost a half-century, value-investing icon Jeremy Grantham has been calling market bubbles. Now, he says U.S. stocks are in a “super bubble,” only the fourth in history, and poised to collapse.

Please do yourself a big favor and play the above interview in entirety.

It's not a fluff interview. Bloomberg's Erik Schatzker grills Jeremy Grantham right from the get go about Grantham's view a year ago.

Q&A Snips

Schatzker: At the risk of putting words in your mouth, you are as certain [now] as you were then, if not more?

Grantham: I would say clearly more. I did freely admit, not in our conversation, but elsewhere, that I wasn't quite as certain about this bubble a year ago as I had been about the tech bubble of 2000 or as I had been in Japan or as I had been in the housing bubble of 2007. I used to think in terms of near certainties. This time I felt highly likely bit perhaps not nearly certain. Today I feel it is just about nearly certain.

Grantham discusses "crazy behavior" , noting that even in 1929 you had some magnificent rallies.

Schatzker: If you are right and stocks are in a multi-sigma deviation from the statistical trend, tell me what happens. The S&P 500 peaked at almost 4800 points. What is the bottom?

Grantham: The trend line, being slightly generous, is 2500. And most of the great bubbles, the super bubbles go below trend and stay there for quite a while. In 2000, the Nasdaq came down 82 percent but the Federal Reserve raced to the rescue so loudly and strongly they stopped the decline in the S&P at the trend line, It only declined 50 percent. This time trend is at most 2500. And I would expect, even if the Federal Reserve tries to do the same it will be hard to prevent the market from declining to that level.

Mish: There's much more in the interview. The above only covers 9 of 37 minutes.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Conspiracy; Government; Society
KEYWORDS: crash; depression; economy; grantham; jeremygrantham; mish; stockmarket; stocks
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1 posted on 02/26/2022 6:12:36 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

I did not think the market we come back the end of this week. I would’ve thought that it would’ve stayed down longer. But I have a feeling that they don’t believe this conflict in Ukraine is going to last long


2 posted on 02/26/2022 6:14:11 AM PST by ncfool (Joe Biden USSA.. United Socialist state of aMeriKa...... 11.3.2020 - President in waiting Kama-la-la)
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To: ncfool

I have no doubt crashes are in our future, that said i get weary of those always announcing the imminent crash. I guess ya, eventually they will be right. Is that really useful though?

Always predicting tragedy will of course eventually be right some day.


3 posted on 02/26/2022 6:18:21 AM PST by Skwor
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To: Skwor

Cash is King....but wait till after the dead cat bounce.


4 posted on 02/26/2022 6:26:45 AM PST by spokeshave (Get ahead by banning fossil fools, like McConnell, Biden, Pelosi, Feinstein, Schumer, Leahy, etc.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Mish has been predicting an imminent crash since he got his start on the “Big Kahuna a Myth” thread on Siliconinvestor in the late 90s.

We’ll likely continue to be in a bear market for several more months, but because of rate increases, not the Ukraine situation.

This doesn’t mean the market will crash. Some of the most aggressive rallies are in bear markets. They are periods of greatly increased realized volatility.


5 posted on 02/26/2022 6:27:48 AM PST by oblomov
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

I don’t know about anyone else but when I need real financial advice I always turn to a blog with tons of pop up ads for help


6 posted on 02/26/2022 6:28:20 AM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans ( )
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To: oblomov

Mish is a broken record, I remember hearing him talking about the end of the world with Y2K.


7 posted on 02/26/2022 6:33:20 AM PST by LumberJack53213
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

What’s the other aphorism?

“You can’t remain solvent longer than the market can remain irrational”

The best way for an individual to succeed is to not be overly greedy and take profits off the table as you go along.


8 posted on 02/26/2022 6:34:33 AM PST by glorgau
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

LOLOL!!!! BUY GOLD! BUY GOLD!


9 posted on 02/26/2022 6:35:03 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Don't wish your enemy ill; plan it. )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Follow the Pelosi family investments apparently, you’ll be fine to pretty well off.


10 posted on 02/26/2022 6:36:50 AM PST by jughandle (Big words anger me, keep talking. )
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To: Hardastarboard

“LOLOL!!!! BUY GOLD! BUY GOLD!”

If it all falls apart, you’d have been better off buying 9X19. Unless you plan on using the gold as bullets instead of lead.


11 posted on 02/26/2022 6:41:00 AM PST by Fai Mao (I don't think we have enough telephone poles.)
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To: Hardastarboard

No man ! Buy Bitcoin!!!

Come on man!!


12 posted on 02/26/2022 6:43:02 AM PST by subterfuge (I'm a pure-blood!)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Who?


13 posted on 02/26/2022 6:43:50 AM PST by Laslo Fripp (The Sybil of Free Republic)
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To: Hardastarboard

Buy lead & brass.


14 posted on 02/26/2022 6:44:22 AM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: glorgau
What’s the other aphorism? “You can’t remain solvent longer than the market can remain irrational”

I don't see how that one applies to me at all. I don't buy or sell on margin, and I don't place bets on the direction of the market with money that I might need in the foreseeable future.

15 posted on 02/26/2022 6:44:56 AM PST by Wissa (The winds and waves are always on the side of the ablest navigators.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Will have to check out Mish’s website again. Used to be one of my go to sites. But he started injecting a lot of personal political viewpoints into his analysis and I bailed in 2012-2013.


16 posted on 02/26/2022 6:49:07 AM PST by Fury
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To: ncfool

I think the market has been allowing for a Ukrainian fiasco for a few months. After the move was made and Biden didn’t airlift the 82nd in, the market has perhaps written the conflict off as pretty much over. In reality, getting the Ukraine aligned back in the Russian sphere might be seen as plus on Wall Street as it does stabilize the area.


17 posted on 02/26/2022 6:55:04 AM PST by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

The thing that keeps stocks up is low interest rates. Where do you put your money? Cash? Inflation will devour it? Savings? Low interest plus inflation. Real Estate? Very expensive and probably overpriced just like stocks. Crypto? If the stock market bubble does burst expect Bitcoin to triple in value very quickly.


18 posted on 02/26/2022 6:59:43 AM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Strange that a man with his wealth would have to resort to prostitution.)
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To: carriage_hill

Lead, brass etc yes. A fire fight in Vietnam typically consumed 10,000 rounds. A zombie apocalypse would probably lead to multiple fire fights to protect those Corn Flakes you have stashed. Just sayin’


19 posted on 02/26/2022 7:02:04 AM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Strange that a man with his wealth would have to resort to prostitution.)
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To: hardspunned

“In reality, getting the Ukraine aligned back in the Russian sphere might be seen as plus on Wall Street as it does stabilize the area.”
I see WEF giving up Ukraine to Russia for better management, perhaps? (Russia and Ukraine produce 25% of worlds wheat).
Sorry for the folks in Ukraine.


20 posted on 02/26/2022 7:02:47 AM PST by griswold3 (When chaos serves the State, the State will encourage chaos)
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