Posted on 05/30/2021 5:36:00 AM PDT by Enlightened1
By mandating that the non-vaccinated have to wear a mask you are making their "choice" public. In my case this is out of due regard and consideration - I don't believe covid is that dangerous for me or my demographic and I do believe there are significant risks with the vaccines.
Anyway, in my case it is a choice not to be vaccinated. We can argue all day whether that is a political statement, simple personal choice, protected information etc. However, there are others who may not have a choice. They may have had previous serious allergic reactions to components used in the vaccines. Due to other unquestionably protected medical conditions and considerations they may have been advised by their primary care physician not to be vaccinated.
Therefore, when people see others still wearing masks at work they *may* think "oh, an anti-vaxxer or he/she doesn't trust big pharma...etc." or they may think "Uh, I wonder what's wrong with Bill? Is he sick? Does he have a condition?..." That spells trouble. The very next time Bill doesn't get the raise he feels he deserves, or the promotion, etc. he can very plausibly go to HR and file a complaint. It would go something like: I was passed-over due to questions about my health and long-term viability to the company - questions that were raised dut to your policies exposing my medical information...
It is my belief that companies that allow or enact this two-tier system are leaving themselves wide open to such challenges. Anyone and everyone who remains outside the trial group of the experimental vaccines and thus publicly "outed" now has the basis for a grievance if/when things don't break their way.
The solution is simpler than you think. If enough employees refuse this tyranny, companies cannot then operate.
People have forgotten it is WE PEOPLE who ultimately decide what we will tolerate.
There should be a public list of employers trying to impose this and their goods and services should be on a boycott list.
This would go away quickly if companies cannot retain enough employees to operate and the public chooses not to buy what they sell.
Colleges and universities trying to force this on students should be boycotted. No students... no college.
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Who Is Not Required to Follow These LawsMany organizations that have health information about you do not have to follow these laws.Examples of organizations that do not have to follow the Privacy and Security Rules include:
- Life insurers
- Employers
- Workers compensation carriers
- Most schools and school districts
- Many state agencies like child protective service agencies
- Most law enforcement agencies
- Many municipal offices
Democraps think they can override any laws they want, though.
True. But some of us cannot just quit jobs either. I am pushing for my team to remain working from home. We’ve proven we can do it with great success.
and made it 70% vaccinated including 16 and up, we will not open up.>>> I think wolf says the same thing here in PA (70% high school science lab?) but Home depot has no mask sign, shop rite no mask sign so i don’t wear one. never did except to stores and walk to talbe restaurants. never on the way out. end in cape may no masks except stores and restaurants,
Of course they can ask you. You are not compelled to answer. You can waive your own privacy if you want after all it’s your information.
However in the private sector your refusal to answer may result in you being barred from a job or an activity so long as it is not a government edict
Everyone here loves to crow about freedom and private rights. So then celebrate it. A private enterprise has the freedom to privately mandate or not what it sees fits. If objectionable the free market will take care of it and usually pretty quickly.
Let’s see if people around here will now really defend freedom and private choice or as many will encourage lawfare in order to impose their will on a private organization.
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EXACTLY what I’ve been saying.
Everyone says they can’t force you. True they can’t. But they also don’t have to hire you or continue to employ you if you don’t comply.
They also do have to let you on the plane or in private businesses if you don’t comply. Their business, their rules.
And I think that’s a great solution. Your boss if he or she has half a brain will listen to it.
The fatal flaw with that argument is they are adding as an arm is the government. They are not. They are making a private choice consistent with the evaluation of their market or to maximize their shareholder profit.
I can completely see a private entertainment business where ticket sales and actual participation drives revenue and profit sayin all our employees will be vaccinated. Forget for the moment any arguments about whether the vaccines work or not. Obviously there is clear divide on that question. But the business may say in order for our patron to be secure we will require vaccination which they may.l believe will bring people into the venue.
If an employee says they don’t want the vaccination thats fine. They are free to look for other employment. No single employer has the responsibility to guarantee employment to anyone. We are conservatives and generally support at will employment. All of my employees are employed at will with my will being dispositive. If I am a tyrant I won’t have employees or a business. Reasonable employers know this. There are certain deal breakers for me that i discuss up front with potential employees. The point is that idiot bosses will some have no workers.
If we are believers in the free market then we have to trust the free market.
This treatment is under an Experimental Use Authorization (EUA).
You cannot be forced to take it. You cannot be discriminated against for having taken it, or not.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Enlightened1 wrote: “They can’t ask you if you have been VAXXED”
Well, actually, if you had read the article, you would have found that they can ask:
“Examples of organizations that do not have to follow the Privacy and Security Rules include:”
Life insurers
Employers
Workers compensation carriers
Most schools and school districts
Many state agencies like child protective service agencies
Most law enforcement agencies
Many municipal offices
“ Now I have to publically announce my medical history by wearing a mask?”
I wear mine Without a problem. The covid shot is not proven safe not effective. It hasn’t even been FDA approved. If I’d gotten the shot I’d wear the mask and no one has to know I didn’t get the shot. That they care whether or not I did is idiocy.
Every large firm with an HR department already acts as an arm of government. Vaccination mandates are coming about due to "friendly suggestions" being made by government handlers to carefully placed HR leaders in industry, just as they are doing with Critical Race Theory programs and diversity goals. Government gets the results it wants without having to get its hands dirty - it allows the corporate partners to enforce progressive policies that would be very difficult to get through a legislature.
I'm not seeing many (if any) instances of Joe's Flower Stand demanding vaccinations for new delivery drivers - it's the mega-corporations who can't thrive without government preferences that we see jumping on the bandwagon. These entities long ago left behind the concept of the free market in exchange for making a Devil's Bargain with the government to guarantee their market positions.
Exactly, a friend who has been totally remote had her employer require vax of all. After people started quitting, they reneged that rule. They wouldn’t have been able to function.
That exact thing happened at my wife’s employer. She’s been working remote and was “required” to get the vaccine.
They lost a fair number of onsite people over that and my wife had an offer from another company that didn‘t require the vaccine and her company was contacted for proof of employment.
They immediately reached out to her and told her they had just rescinded the vaccine requirement and that she could even work 100% remotely, which was not previously allowed.
She stayed.
Maybe now you should learn which organizations HIPAA actually applies to and which it doesn’t instead of editing to fit your preconceived notions.
Their business, their rules.
So for instance, if you didn’t wish to bake cakes for gay marriages, you could make that the rule of your business and it would be honored, I guess.
What is the legal definition of a vaccine?
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