That has to be the most stupid comment I’ve read today.
Nothing came up when I searched on Medical Examiner. Please delete?
It doesn’t matter now, the media narrative is set and there are buildings that need burning.
That’ll settle the Antifa/Somali Thugs right down, I’ll bet!
Everyone pack up your Molotov Cocktails and get back on the buses that brought ya; time to go home!
*SNORT*
This is going to be interesting. No wonder the family requested their own autopsy.
I’m no lawyer, isn’t there a legal concept that “you take your victim as you find him”? The cop may or may not have known that kneeling on his neck would kill him, but apparently kill him it did. Don’t know that it rises to murder—the Somali cop got 3rd-degree murder (didn’t intend to kill) after shooting a woman in the chest.
While watching the third night of mayhem, looting and riots in the city of Minneapolis, Minnesota, last night President Trump tweeted: “These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won’t let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts”, and the media went bananas.
Every person of normal and stable constitution knew the meaning was looting and violence leads to shooting and escalated violence; thus it needs to be addressed with urgency by local officials in charge of maintaining the peace. However, the media needed to pretend they were unaware of common sense in order to turn the phrase into an attack against the president. President Trump responds:
The background of George Floyd being killed by police Derek Chauvin is horrific. There is no justification for Chauvin’s action and the seemingly cavalier attitude by those who were at the scene of the events. Outrage and emotional reaction over the video of the events is not surprising; but the riots, arson and looting are another level of troubling.
CTH has not written about the incident, because there is obviously much more to the story than currently being presented by national media. This is one of those incidents where a variety of interests seek to take advantage; and as each layer of interest attaches itself, well, the larger truth behind the originating event is lost. A rabbit hole is created.
Officer Derek Chauvin and victim George Lloyd knew each-other. Chauvin was a security officer for a sketchy dance club named El Nuevo Rodeo, and had worked there for 17 years. Chauvin worked for El Nuevo Rodeo cantina and dance club longer than he was a police officer. Mr. George Lloyd also worked at the restaurant/dance club as a bouncer, for several years. Chauvin and Lloyd knew eachother.
The dynamic of the relationship between Lloyd and Chauvin is divergent from the media narrative. Additionally, the media presentation of the club, and ownership, is also materially flawed.
The club is not what appears visible on the surface; neither is the relationship between the two men who both worked there. CTH has reviewed the background, and made a decision to exit the rabbit hole. Suffice to say it’s better to just sit this one out and watch.
Speculative reasons for disengagement:
El Nuevo Rodeo is owned by foreign interests: Omar Investments Inc. The club appears to be a laundry operation; which is a semi-legitimate business set up as a front to launder illicit income streams which might include counterfeit operations. Chauvin and Lloyd both worked there. The presented “former club owner”, seen on television, appears to be a purposeful ‘front’ (a face useful in deflecting attention from the primary operations).
With that in mind, the scale of false information in/around the visible event, horrible as it was/is, creates layers and layers of purposeful misinformation and a need to control what the public sees in the media.
Combine a sketchy background of participants who are all very familiar with each-other as noted on video; with a network of foreign interests and false fronts; and overlay a network of federal and national security operations that are well known and specific to Minneapolis… and, well, it’s a rabbit hole best left alone.
CTH is not going there.
[***Several tweets at linked site***]
Ignore the uniform angle in the video above, that’s a non issue. The casual and familiar nature of the participants, in combination with what the “paramedics” do not do when they arrive on scene, seems to tell a larger story.
Regardless, a man lost his life; that alone is tragic.
Do we need to get a second opinion from a medical examiner who lives outside of the same county as the police department?
Jus’ askin’ for a friend
This finding, of course, does not mean that the four police officers were not responsible for Floyd’s death, as prolonged pressure on the critical arteries and veins in the neck could well have caused heart trauma. Indeed, the report notes that the officers’ actions in restraining Floyd likely contributed to his death.
“Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death,” it concluded.
I’m going to bet, had it not been for his interaction with the police that day, he’d likely have safely made it home without dying.
Chauvin was arrested, taken into custody and charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter.
The charging document also said that Chauvin kept kneeling on Floyd’s neck for two minutes and 43 seconds after he became nonresponsive.
Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman said that in addition to the charges against Chauvin that there were likely other charges forthcoming against the other officers involved.
In other words, there is no way that the prosecutors can prove that the police officer is guilty of any type of murder or manslaughter. The medical examiner in the autopsy stated that the restraint by the police officers “likely“ in combination with other factors led to his death. You don’t convict people based on the standard of “likely“. You convict people on proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Now you see why the DA was hesitant to file charges in the first place.
And before someone calls me a racist, allow me to point out that two things can be simultaneously true. First, it can be true that the officer used excessive and unreasonable force. Second, it can be true that that excessive and unreasonable force had nothing to do with this man’s death. By the way, I think I was lectured about 20 times over the last three days by various comments about how the victim died because he couldn’t breathe. This autopsy totally debunks the conventional wisdom that he died from lack of oxygen. Yes, he COULD BREATHE!!!!
Kind of a month ahead of the times aren't you? 8>)
My guess, guy had a number of heart issues, they were exacerbated by, all that PCP he smoked, and any charges filed will be undeserved.
Absolutely. The cops “didn’t du nuffin.” Never mind the excessive force applied to a handcuffed and unconscious prisoner for many minutes. Or the dirty cops failing to render aid to a clearly unconscious prisoner.
Still doesn’t justify kneeling on the guys neck!
It will be some time before the toxicology report is completed. Meanwhile the media driven lynchings will go on at the planned out pace.
CHAUVIN Derek, COMPLAINT
STATEMENT OF PROBABLE CAUSE (excerpt)
The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 p.m. and Mr. Floyd went to the ground face down and still handcuffed. Kueng held Mr. Floyd’s back and Lane held his legs. The defendant placed his left knee in the area of Mr. Floyd’s head and neck. Mr. Floyd said, “I can’t breathe” multiple times and repeatedly said, “Mama” and “please,” as well. The defendant and the other two officers stayed in their positions.The officers said, “You are talking fine” to Mr. Floyd as he continued to move back and forth. Lane asked, “should we roll him on his side?” and the defendant said, “No, staying put where we got him.” Officer Lane said, “I am worried about excited delirium or whatever.” The defendant said, “That’s why we have him on his stomach.” None of the three officers moved from their positions.
BWC video shows Mr. Floyd continue to move and breathe. At 8:24:24, Mr. Floyd stopped moving. At 8:25:31 the video appears to show Mr. Floyd ceasing to breathe or speak. Lane said, “want to roll him on his side.” Kueng checked Mr. Floyd’s right wrist for a pulse and said, “I couldn’t find one.” None of the officers moved from their positions.
At 8:27:24, the defendant removed his knee from Mr. Floyd’s neck. An ambulance and emergency medical personnel arrived, the officers placed Mr. Floyd on a gurney, and the ambulance left the scene. Mr. Floyd was pronounced dead at Hennepin County Medical Center.
The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd’s autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.
The defendant had his knee on Mr. Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds in total. Two minutes and 53 seconds of this was after Mr. Floyd was non-responsive. Police are trained that this type of restraint with a subject in a prone position is inherently dangerous.
5-300 Use of Force5-301 PURPOSE (10/16/02) (08/17/07) (07/28/16)
A. Sanctity of life and the protection of the public shall be the cornerstones of the MPD’s use of force policy.
B. The purpose of this chapter is to provide all sworn MPD employees with clear and consistent policies and procedures regarding the use of force while engaged in the discharge of their official duties.
(Note: MPD Training Unit Lesson Plans – Use of Force, are used as a reference throughout this chapter.)
5-301.01 POLICY (10/16/02) (08/17/07)
Based on the Fourth Amendment’s “reasonableness” standard, sworn MPD employees shall only use the amount of force that is objectively reasonable in light of the facts and circumstances known to that employee at the time force is used. The force used shall be consistent with current MPD training.
[...]
5-311 USE OF NECK RESTRAINTS AND CHOKE HOLDS (10/16/02) (08/17/07) (10/01/10) (04/16/12)
DEFINITIONS I.
Choke Hold: Deadly force option. Defined as applying direct pressure on a person’s trachea or airway (front of the neck), blocking or obstructing the airway (04/16/12)
Neck Restraint: Non-deadly force option. Defined as compressing one or both sides of a person’s neck with an arm or leg, without applying direct pressure to the trachea or airway (front of the neck). Only sworn employees who have received training from the MPD Training Unit are authorized to use neck restraints. The MPD authorizes two types of neck restraints: Conscious Neck Restraint and Unconscious Neck Restraint. (04/16/12)
Conscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with intent to control, and not to render the subject unconscious, by only applying light to moderate pressure. (04/16/12)
Unconscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with the intention of rendering the person unconscious by applying adequate pressure. (04/16/12)
PROCEDURES/REGULATIONS II.
A. The Conscious Neck Restraint may be used against a subject who is actively resisting. (04/16/12)
B. The Unconscious Neck Restraint shall only be applied in the following circumstances: (04/16/12)
1. On a subject who is exhibiting active aggression, or;
2. For life saving purposes, or;
3. On a subject who is exhibiting active resistance in order to gain control of the subject; and if lesser attempts at control have been or would likely be ineffective.
C. Neck restraints shall not be used against subjects who are passively resisting as defined by policy. (04/16/12)
D. After Care Guidelines (04/16/12)
1. After a neck restraint or choke hold has been used on a subject, sworn MPD employees shall keep them under close observation until they are released to medical or other law enforcement personnel.
2. An officer who has used a neck restraint or choke hold shall inform individuals accepting custody of the subject, that the technique was used on the subject.
I’m not surprised at all.