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Vanity: "Obstruction of Congress" Is The House Insisting It Is Has Defacto Judicial Powers To Force Summons, Etc
12/14/2019 | Its All Over Except...

Posted on 12/14/2019 2:05:27 AM PST by Its All Over Except ...

Whereas abuse of power is a separate issue, how can the House impeach Trump for "Obstruction of Congress" when it is the Constitutional right of the co-equal Judicial Branch to act as the arbiter in the event of the House of Reps wanting the White House to comply with summons and turning over what it believes is important and pertinent documents, the White House/Executive as another co-equal branch says take it to the courts to decide, the House of Reps refuses, then demands that the Executive acquiesce to its demands, unconstitutionally acts as if it possesses those Judicial Branch powers to make the Executive comply, and then moves to impeach for Obstruction of Cingress when the Executive refuses to comply to it's attempts to act as if it posseses those Judicial Branch powers?


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: congress; impeachment; nadler; pelosi; scandals; schiff; trump
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

Chief Justice of the Supreme Court would preside over the impeachment of a President


No, the Chief Justice does not preside over the impeachment of the President. He presides over the trial. Impeachment is the laying of charges, nothing more. If/when the majority of the House votes to impeach, the President will have been impeached. But he still is President, with all Presidential powers until 2/3rds of the Senate votes to convict. This has not happened in the history of the Republic.


21 posted on 12/14/2019 7:15:38 AM PST by hanamizu
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To: hanamizu

Yes, I know, Mkay.


22 posted on 12/14/2019 9:15:12 AM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: offduty

It would seem to me that the 2nd charge will be immediately dismissed if it makes it to the Senate. Essentially, the Democrats chose not to challenge the subpoenas because they were on some artificial time constraint. That’s their problem, though. That does not entitle them to bypass the courts and enforce a subpoena.


23 posted on 12/14/2019 9:23:18 AM PST by Repealthe17thAmendment
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To: Its All Over Except ...

Funny when the dims are called up they only show up if they wish and seem to be able to spin tall tales and nothing happens to them.


24 posted on 12/14/2019 9:24:58 AM PST by Tammy8
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To: Its All Over Except ...

Oh, the irony. One of the charges against Donald Trump is abuse of power. Then the House creates this bogus “Obstruction of Congress” charge. Who is it that is abusing their power?


25 posted on 12/14/2019 9:44:34 AM PST by CommerceComet (Hillary: A unique blend of arrogance, incompetence, and corruption.)
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

Sorry for being pedantic. So many, practically everyone, are mistaken as to what impeachment is.


26 posted on 12/14/2019 10:35:41 AM PST by hanamizu
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To: Repealthe17thAmendment

This is a stretch, but consider...The Democrats are so full of hate they pass the second Article of Impeachment stating Trump acted to Obstruct Congress. Since the Supreme Court has already granted certiorari to the tax case, why couldn’t Trump’s team immediately move to dismiss the second Article based on the fact Congress did not exhaust it’s remedy on the subpoena’s: the Court.

That would leave only the first, the Abuse of Power. The Senate could dismiss as there is no underlying criminal statute that defines “Abuse of Power” in the criminal code. Since there is no statute, there is no “high crime or misdemeanor” as an underlying offense. Dismiss, case closed, the Democrats/media will try and state it was a whitewash, the Republicans can say because the Dems were in such a hurry to affect the 2020 election, they rushed to judgement and got it wrong.

It would also bolster the case the inquiry was nothing more than a political witch hunt since by their own admission, they knew the Court was the correct remedy, but since they knew Trump was likely to win re-election, impeachment was the only way to keep Trump from re-election.


27 posted on 12/14/2019 10:48:02 AM PST by offduty
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To: offduty

It would be preferred to have the charges dismissed as a result of a motion to the Chief Justice rather than by the Senate. But either case is possible.


28 posted on 12/14/2019 11:52:13 AM PST by Repealthe17thAmendment
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To: Its All Over Except ...

They will do or say anything to get rid of Trump. Law has nothing to do with it.


29 posted on 12/25/2019 2:19:08 PM PST by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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How can the House impeach Trump for "Obstruction of Congress"?
Impeaching for obstruction is the lower branch acting as if it has Judicial Branch powers
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<><> it is the Constitutional right of the co-equal Judicial Branch to act as the arbiter;
<><> what if the House wants the WH to comply with summons and turn over what it says is important and pertinent documents?
<><> the White House/Executive as a co-equal branch says take it to the courts to decide.
<><> the House of Reps refuses, then demands that the Executive acquiesce to its demands.
<><> the House unconstitutionally acts as if it possesses those Judicial Branch powers to make the Executive comply;
<><> the House then moves to impeach for Obstruction of Congress when the Executive refuses to comply.
<><> under Constitutional law, the House does not possess these powers.
30 posted on 12/29/2019 8:48:38 AM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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