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We can stop mass shootings without restricting Second Amendment liberties
dallasnews.com ^ | Sept. 8, 2019 | Tom Giovanetti

Posted on 09/09/2019 10:02:52 AM PDT by PROCON

An armed Arlington SWAT officer stands guard at the AT&T Stadium tunnel entrance before the Big 12 Championship between the Oklahoma Sooners and TCU Horned Frogs at AT&T Stadium in Arlington on Dec. 2, 2017. (Tom Fox / Staff Photographer)

It is often said by people of all political persuasions, and certainly by my fellow conservatives, that the primary duty of the federal government is to keep us safe.

The problem is, that's not true. The founding documents, the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and especially the Federalist Papers, make it clear that the primary duty of the federal government is the preservation of liberty, not safety.

~~SNIP~~

In the church my family attends, we adapted after a threat. There is now armed security scattered throughout the congregation, in the sanctuary, in the lobby, and even on the platform. Air transportation obviously adapted after 9/11, with added airport security and air marshals on flights.

It's time to adapt to the era of mass shootings. Every school, every church, every large retailer and every government facility should have armed, obvious guards at all entrances. We don't need to force teachers to take up arms, we simply need ever-present, trained, armed security in schools. This is now the cost of protecting our children and of protecting the public.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Government; Society
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; clintonsanswer; communism; massshootings; policestate; secretpolice
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I posted the relevant parts of the author's idea of mandatory, armed security in formerly 'gun-free' zones.

Feedback?

1 posted on 09/09/2019 10:02:52 AM PDT by PROCON
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2 posted on 09/09/2019 10:03:20 AM PDT by PROCON ('Progressive' is a Euphemism for <strike>Totalitarian</strike> COMMUNIST)
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To: PROCON

If all these big store now want people to conceal arms, then they need 2 armed guards at the least, who are obviously not in very close proximity to each other because a shooter can just blow the head off of the guard at the door.


3 posted on 09/09/2019 10:06:02 AM PDT by dp0622 (Bad, bad company Till the day I die.)
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To: PROCON

Wherever I go, it’s not a “gun free zone”, anymore, except courthouses. I CCW everywhere else.


4 posted on 09/09/2019 10:09:35 AM PDT by carriage_hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: PROCON

It’s a lot cheaper to simply let whoever wants to carry carry.


5 posted on 09/09/2019 10:12:53 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: PROCON

1. National Concealed Carry.
2. National Stand Your Ground.
3. Speedy trial and quick public execution of murders.

That will put an end to it.


6 posted on 09/09/2019 10:20:19 AM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: PROCON

What would this armed security do? Check people for weapons? If someone has a weapon (whatever that is)what then?

Or would the armed security only take action if someone started trouble? If they are waiting for a disruptive customer or a fight, that might be one thing. If they are waiting for a shooter, that might be a long wait, especially if they are waiting for a mass shooter.

Would they have “other duties as assigned” such as being a “bouncer” or preventing shoplifting? That would help prevent boredom while waiting for something to happen but might interfere with security responsibilities.


7 posted on 09/09/2019 10:25:14 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: PROCON
We don't need the obviously armed, well paid, security everywhere.

We just need an armed populace with the will to fight.

8 posted on 09/09/2019 10:26:06 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: PROCON
Yes we can stop mass shooters. If they are found guilty after a trial then take the mass shooters and terrorists and feed them alive to starving hogs on national television.
9 posted on 09/09/2019 10:27:11 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (Freeper formerly known as WMarshal.......)
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To: PROCON

Guards is good, concealed carry is good, so many demons are roaming in our land now, they don’t obey laws.

All gun control laws should be banished.


10 posted on 09/09/2019 10:29:31 AM PDT by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our only true hope.)
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To: carriage_hill

Hi carriage hill. I often see this argument used in connection with any discussion of open carry. Though I am unconvinced by the argument, I am interested in why it is accepted as self evident by so many in the gun community and self defense community. In other parts of the world it seems that the opposite is the self evident truth. Every bank, every school and every store can have a guard with a full auto rifle or carbine.

Gun people believe things without evidence: e.g. a .30 carbine will not shoot through a quilt, a small of the back holster will break your back when you fall down, a post ‘64 Winchester push feed action does not work, and this one, open carry will get you killed.

I appreciate correction and instruction. I know of two anecdotes where in each someone stole a handgun because it was open carried and I know one anecdote where a farmer was shot off his tractor by home invaders though it was a friend of a friend thing that I could never confirm. Sure you will understand that such anecdotes cannot make the case against open carry. It if you have any input on this, I would be grateful.


11 posted on 09/09/2019 10:45:35 AM PDT by BDParrish (One representative for every 30,000 persons!)
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Wanna stop this crap. Arrest the perp, public torture for 24 hours, then a public beheading. Anything less is not a deterrent since half of these animals want to go to prison... the other half want suicide by cop.


12 posted on 09/09/2019 11:10:14 AM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn’t common anymore.)
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We just need an armed populace with the will to fight.

Agreed, but we have passed that point of common-sense citizenry.

The left, with their lies, have turned too many gullible people into gun haters who think disarming lawful citizens will make everyone safer.

At the very least, gun-free zone laws should be outlawed and places like public schools should be protected by armed security.

13 posted on 09/09/2019 11:11:02 AM PDT by PROCON ('Progressive' is a Euphemism for <strike>Totalitarian</strike> COMMUNIST)
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To: PROCON

We the People will arm ourselves for our defense, if the government at all levels will get the hell out of our way. DON’T just “leave it to the professionals”.


14 posted on 09/09/2019 11:12:41 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: PROCON

ABOLISH GUN-FREE ZONES. That’s all we have to do.


15 posted on 09/09/2019 11:23:16 AM PDT by 60Gunner (The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. - Plato)
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To: PROCON

What we need is more follow up & mental health options for people who have had prior runs ins with police and/or FBI.

Many mass shooters have been known to police/FBI and left alone to continue down a path of violence.


16 posted on 09/09/2019 11:30:49 AM PDT by Lopeover (We Are #TRUMPSTRONG)
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To: Lopeover

Only if we get rid of the so-called judges that keep putting the shooters back on the street.


17 posted on 09/09/2019 11:37:59 AM PDT by JayAr36 (Organized Crime is now in charge of the District of Corruption)
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To: PROCON

The price of freedom and liberty is eternal vigilance.


18 posted on 09/09/2019 12:02:20 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Everyone who favors socialism plans on the government taking other people's money, not theirs.)
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To: BDParrish

I don’t advocate or open carry myself, in public; I CCW (concealed carry) so no one knows I am armed. When I’m in the wilderness, woods or my form 20ac farm/nursery, I open carry, since rabid raccoons are not uncommon, and I’ve had to dispatch numerous ones.

Although “Every bank, every school and every store can have a guard with a full auto rifle or carbine”, the shooter might not come in to where that person is stationed, and, after being robbed and shot on 7/14/75 and surviving it, I prefer to defend myself, should TSHTF.

“Gun people believe things without evidence: e.g. a .30 carbine will not shoot through a quilt, a small of the back holster will break your back when you fall down, a post ‘64 Winchester push feed action does not work, and this one, open carry will get you killed.

Never heard that before; I sure don’t believe it. Did you mean anti-gun people?


19 posted on 09/09/2019 12:34:12 PM PDT by carriage_hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: PROCON

Security guards are good but we also need ordinary good guys open carrying wherever possible.


20 posted on 09/09/2019 12:53:59 PM PDT by Farcesensitive
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