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Igniting Civil War
American Greatness ^ | August 6th, 2019 | Angelo M. Codevilla

Posted on 08/07/2019 9:45:22 AM PDT by Jack Black

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If people are smart they won't side with the terrorists and if the government is smart it won't use the crackdowns to persecute their opponents

I admire your optimism. I do not share it.

41 posted on 08/07/2019 11:35:39 AM PDT by flamberge (The wheels keep turning)
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To: Grampa Dave
If it drags on for a couple of years, basically every fertile woman will have her life cut short due to lack of food, water and stability in her home. My Dad’s Mother and her Sisters, who were born during CCWI or right after it, were lucky to make it past their mid 20’s before dying young.

Luckily we have the States. And I think some States will rise to the occassion and maintain order. But, it's really hard to say and it could become a war of all-against-all, as you suggest.

42 posted on 08/07/2019 11:36:09 AM PDT by Jack Black ("If you believe in things that you don't understand then you suffer" - "Superstition",Stevie Wonder)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I’d go after the artist and whoever printed these off.


43 posted on 08/07/2019 11:36:46 AM PDT by caww
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
The rabid leftist coalition fully supports their insane elites and they have consistent goals. Why should they turn on their elites?

Because Leftists are basically insane and self-destructive. They must have nearby targets to destroy first. When they run short of "right-wingers", they turn on each other.

The so-called elites are riding the tiger. In their arrogance, they raise up monsters which they cannot put down.

44 posted on 08/07/2019 11:43:04 AM PDT by flamberge (The wheels keep turning)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
I'd like to think that people would all get along if it weren't for elites, but I don't think that's likely. Politicians and elites exploit divisions in the public, but they don't create them.

Plus, it depends on what you mean by "elites." In a divided country one bunch of politicians defeats another bunch of politicians to win power, but nobody has the unquestioned authority that Establishment figures had 60 or so years ago. Everybody is suspicious and everybody in power is suspect.

And if the Democratic Party becomes too closely identified with a powerful elite hostile to the public, people vote against them. That's what happened with Hillary Clinton. She was seen as too elitist and voters dropped her.

45 posted on 08/07/2019 11:53:37 AM PDT by x
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To: x

“That’s what happened with Hillary Clinton. She was seen as too elitist and voters dropped her.”

We were perilously close to electing her. Only Trump’s brilliant campaign strategy targeting at-play states under Electoral College rules and her laziness and health issues avoid her winning. 2020 is going to be very interesting to see if leftists are energized enough to win (or steal) more votes than in 2016.


46 posted on 08/07/2019 12:04:44 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Grampa Dave

A lot depends on what the military does in a CWII. If our strategic forces remain intact, especially the SSBN force and remains on station no foreign power should intervene militarily for risk of annihilation.

I do think we end up breaking up with the coasts and north east going with the communists and unless a truce is worked out quickly they will be decimated by starvation. Their gangs will head to the red states and most will be slaughtered quickly and not tolerated.

The mid-west, mountain and southern states stay together and state governments continue to operate and seize former US military installations. That being said there will be violence in all states as conservatives in red states will simply not tolerate further abuse and it will come down to brother against brother in some cases. Initially in all states it will be bloody and our children will see it and be casualties in it.

I can’t help but wonder back to watching the tv series in the 1980’s North and South where George Hazard and Orry Main are standing on a depot platform, Fort Sumter has been fired on and they are questioning each other, is there somewhere where we could have stopped this before it got to this point...


47 posted on 08/07/2019 12:16:04 PM PDT by sarge83
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To: TrumpisRight

It will be a Rwanda.

It will be a horror

Soros cannot wait!


48 posted on 08/07/2019 12:58:24 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Voter ID for 2020!! Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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To: Crazieman

There was a book in the eighties that was called NINE NATIONS OF NORTH AMERICA which addressed this issue. Good read.

Prescient.


49 posted on 08/07/2019 12:59:23 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Voter ID for 2020!! Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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To: Black Agnes

All the elite will benefit.

This is an elite against normals war

This is not only being fought here, but in countries around the world.

Best thing that could happen world wide is eliminating the elite and their war dogs.


50 posted on 08/07/2019 1:00:53 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Voter ID for 2020!! Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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To: TrumpisRight
A CWII today is NOT North and South put Middle vs East and West coasts.

I disagree clearly it is geographic with the coasts a socialist hot bed. If you can't see that then you are blind.

51 posted on 08/07/2019 1:03:33 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Chickensoup

“Best thing that could happen world wide is eliminating the elite and their war dogs.”

COMPLETELY and TOTALLY agree!

Who profits from war? Certainly not the bloodied peasant bodies...

What, exactly, was accomplished by the Napoleonic wars other than a few million european men mouldering in graves?


52 posted on 08/07/2019 1:04:28 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: sport

... that is until a few states secede.


53 posted on 08/07/2019 1:04:56 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: rigelkentaurus
it will be cities against rural,

I think what you mean is city vs the state and the state will win. Texas can put down an rebellious cities at will for example.

54 posted on 08/07/2019 1:07:11 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Crazieman

No other nation(s) posses the naval or air transport to invade N.A. None.


55 posted on 08/07/2019 1:08:36 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Grampa Dave
It will destroy most of us, our children, grand kids and those not even conceived yet, unless it is over in a week or less.

Is "living" like this any better than being dead? I ask myself this every morning.

56 posted on 08/07/2019 1:11:53 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

As long as Federal Dollars are available, no State will secede.


57 posted on 08/07/2019 1:12:12 PM PDT by sport
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To: central_va

Small picture mindset. Not about invading here at all.
We become preoccupied.
Russia goes after the Baltics and the rest of Ukraine.
India and Pakistan go at it.
Israel and Iran go at it.
Norks invade the South Koreans.
China goes after Taiwan and smashes Hong Kong resistance.
Chine eyeballs Japan because we’re not there anymore for WW2 revenge.
And etc.


58 posted on 08/07/2019 1:16:50 PM PDT by Crazieman (Civil war is near certain now.)
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To: sport
As long as Federal Dollars are available, no State will secede.

In a scenario involving a general break down of the Federal Govt the states will step into the power vacuum, mark my worlds. The red state citizens will not find relief from Federal tyranny in DC. As I see it the blue states will remain loyal simply because of the number of their citizens that are radical leftists.

Again let me be clear, the citizens that want to stay free will soon learn that that relief from tyranny can/will never be found petitioning Washington DC. This would only beget MORE tyranny. As a result they will demand relief at their state houses and from their governors who will act autonomously. This is the ultimate relief valve that was SET UP BY OUR FOUNDERS AND AT THE HEART OF THE REPUBLIC.

59 posted on 08/07/2019 1:28:20 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Crazieman

Why would I care about any of those conflicts?


60 posted on 08/07/2019 1:32:09 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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